Classic-Castle.com


The source for all your LEGO Castle needs!

who commands the skeletons on the field

Open message to The LEGO Company. We make no guarantee that anyone from LEGO will actually read them, let alone respond!

should Lego make a general who leads the bad guys on the battlefield

yes
23
56%
no
18
44%
 
Total votes : 41

Postby Sir Kohran » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:19 pm

Bruce N H wrote:My thinking is this. All of the skellies serve the evil wizard. His main general is this guy:
Image
since he's commanding the attack in King's Castle Siege (pretty comparable to the chief Nazgul in the siege of Minas Tirith). Next in line comes this guy:
Image
Bruce


I'd actually say they are the same guy. They have the same face, the same coloured arms and legs, and same type of armour. The only difference is the colour/patterns of the armour, but I don't think it's that implausible that he could have the decorated black armour for the joust, and a different set of plain chrome armour for the siege.

- Matt
User avatar
Sir Kohran
Sheriff
 
Posts: 1564
Joined: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:24 am

Postby Bruce N H » Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:48 pm

Ooh, that's a very good point. Makes sense that he wouldn't use his fancy dress armor in real battle situations.

Bruce
User avatar
Bruce N H
Precentor of the Scriptorium
Precentor of the Scriptorium
 
Posts: 6537
Joined: Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:11 pm
Location: Middle Zealand

Postby Voran_the_Scholar » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:59 pm

Sir Kohran, that is probably the best idea put forth in this thread so far. Keen observation!
May the blessing of the Lord be upon you. <><

Flickr
User avatar
Voran_the_Scholar
Landlord
 
Posts: 913
Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:18 pm

Postby RichardAM » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:05 pm

Call me crazy, but last I heard Lego was all about imagination.

If you don't think any of the characters fit the role of skeleton general then make one of your own, if you do like the character, stop moaning. :wink:
artificial snow

-richard-am.net /lego-
Image Image
User avatar
RichardAM
Merchant
 
Posts: 1258
Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:23 pm

Postby Danielas » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:16 pm

Sir Kohran wrote:
Bruce N H wrote:My thinking is this. All of the skellies serve the evil wizard. His main general is this guy:
Image
since he's commanding the attack in King's Castle Siege (pretty comparable to the chief Nazgul in the siege of Minas Tirith). Next in line comes this guy:
Image
Bruce


I'd actually say they are the same guy. They have the same face, the same coloured arms and legs, and same type of armour. The only difference is the colour/patterns of the armour, but I don't think it's that implausible that he could have the decorated black armour for the joust, and a different set of plain chrome armour for the siege.

- Matt


yea but they all have that face.
God Bless. Danielas

Procrastinators Unite!!!!

(tomorrow)

Proud soldier of Classic-Castle. As in, I fight against the Legion of the Aggie.
User avatar
Danielas
Steward
 
Posts: 511
Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:22 pm
Location: Weather Top or Amon-Sul

Postby Voran_the_Scholar » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:19 pm

Danielas wrote:
yea but they all have that face.


That point is null and void. They're skeletons after all! :wink:
May the blessing of the Lord be upon you. <><

Flickr
User avatar
Voran_the_Scholar
Landlord
 
Posts: 913
Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:18 pm

Postby Hillyard » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:45 pm

I thought it was the Captin from the skeleton ship... :lol: jk
-Zach
Hillyard
Gong Farmer
 
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:45 am

Postby raidersofdays » Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:11 am

I just have all the evil guys under one banner, basically they are just a few skeletons and vladek bulk pack i got off ebay (Vladek have to be the only attractive minfigs in KK2).

Led by the evil
http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemPic.asp?M=cas296

riding a

http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemPic.asp?P=6129c04
raidersofdays
Villein
 
Posts: 44
Joined: Sat May 17, 2008 3:20 am
Location: Tasmania, Australia

Postby rogue27 » Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:23 pm

Skeletons have no intelligence. They cannot lead or make tactical decisions.

They are mindless entities who can follow basic orders. Those orders come from a sentient being. Usually the necromancer who created them.

Skeletons are not evil. They are perceived as evil because they often follow evil instructions. This stems from the fact that evil people tend to be necromancers. In most societies, building an army of the skeletons is considered an unsavory act due to cultural reverence for the dead.

However, nothing prevents a person from creating a few skeletons to tend a flower garden or pick up litter on the freeway. In a society where necromancy is legal, a skeleton could serve the same purpose as a robot on The Jetsons.

In military use, armies could be supplemented with skeletons to minimize casualties. A group of rebels seeking to take down a corrupt ruler could build an army of skeletons because they don't have enough people.

To control the skeletons, if your objective is to raid a village or small fortress, no battlefield commanders are needed. Just set them loose to kill. If you want them to use any tactics, they need a human captain in each combat unit to make decisions and give orders.

If a necromancer is powerful enough, captains are not needed. A scrying spell could allow the battlefield to be seen from afar, and perhaps orders could be issued long-distance. This would be similar to playing a real-time strategy game on a computer.

The only real answer is to use your imagination a bit. I just did.
Last edited by rogue27 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
rogue27
Knight Templar
Knight Templar
 
Posts: 1329
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 2:14 am
Location: The Icy North

Postby Sir Kohran » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:42 pm

rogue I don't know how serious your post was meant to be :P but you raised some good points...

In most societies, building an army of the skeletons is considered an unsavory act due to cultural reverence for the dead.


And I guess it also goes back to the Christian idea that when you die 'your person' goes to either Heaven, Hell (or purgatory if you believe in that too), and so by being resurrected and brought back to the world in an unGodly way (the work of a necromancer), it's a violation of the divine plan.

However, nothing prevents a person from creating a few skeletons to tend a flower garden or pick up litter on the freeway. In a society where necromancy is legal, a skeleton could serve the same purpose as a robot on The Jetsons.


Think of the unemployment problems it would cause in human society ;)

Armies could be supplemented with skeletons to minimize casualties.


I think that's what the Evil Wizard was trying to do...

- Matt
User avatar
Sir Kohran
Sheriff
 
Posts: 1564
Joined: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:24 am

Postby rogue27 » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:17 pm

Sir Kohran wrote:rogue I don't know how serious your post was meant to be :P but you raised some good points...


Raised... har har.


And I guess it also goes back to the Christian idea that when you die 'your person' goes to either Heaven, Megablocks (or purgatory if you believe in that too), and so by being resurrected and brought back to the world in an unGodly way (the work of a necromancer), it's a violation of the divine plan.


I'm sure skeletal animation could be done in a socially acceptable way. A dying man can donate his kidneys, liver, and other organs to prolong the lives of others. Maybe some people could opt to donate their bones to a necromancer.

Granted, there will always be some religious beliefs that would oppose necromancy, much like some religions forbid organ transplants. However, in a fantasy setting (where necromancy exists), real-world religions don't necessarily exist.


Think of the unemployment problems it would cause in human society ;)


Most freeway litter is picked up by delinquents required to perform community service. :P
Last edited by rogue27 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
rogue27
Knight Templar
Knight Templar
 
Posts: 1329
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 2:14 am
Location: The Icy North

Postby Voran_the_Scholar » Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:19 am

Sir Kohran wrote:rogue I don't know how serious your post was meant to be :P but you raised some good points...

In most societies, building an army of the skeletons is considered an unsavory act due to cultural reverence for the dead.


And I guess it also goes back to the Christian idea that when you die 'your person' goes to either Heaven, Megablocks (or purgatory if you believe in that too), and so by being resurrected and brought back to the world in an unGodly way (the work of a necromancer), it's a violation of the divine plan.


- Matt


I think someone needs to do a little more research. :wink: Resurrections in the Bible could only be accomplished through God's power. In fact, that's why necromancy is considered so evil. It's because a necromancer would be claiming the power of God if he claimed he could raise the dead.

And God raised lots of people from the dead. He raised His Son Jesus from the dead. He raised Lazarus from the dead. Other examples can be found in Ezekiel (the dry bones), and in at least one of the Gospels (immediately after Jesus' death). Among others.

As far as purgatory goes, purgatory is not scripturally supported. It is an idea created by man and is a predominantly Catholic belief. It does not permeate all of Christianity.

God bless.

Tom
May the blessing of the Lord be upon you. <><

Flickr
User avatar
Voran_the_Scholar
Landlord
 
Posts: 913
Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:18 pm

Postby Heir of Black Falcon » Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:33 am

I think we are now leaving the point of this post.... It was if they needed someone to lead the skellies not how the skellies were created or if the skellies can be bad or good etc. etc..

Back onto subject I usually do use a leader for them but have some undead with intelligence. Not all are this way though. Think Imoteph from he new mummy movies. A guy with inteligence that can be clever, devious and calculating but undead so harder to kill.... not a bad combo for my evil army.

R
User avatar
Heir of Black Falcon
Justiciar
 
Posts: 1967
Joined: Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:37 pm
Location: Utah (I'm baaaack)

Postby Sir Kohran » Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:56 am

I think someone needs to do a little more research.


I've taken philosophy, ethics and religious studies at school and college, and I've read the Bible almost all my life. I think I'm 'qualified' to comment.

Resurrections in the Bible could only be accomplished through God's power. In fact, that's why necromancy is considered so evil. It's because a necromancer would be claiming the power of God if he claimed he could raise the dead.


Yes, that's what I said - I said that an attempt to raise the dead by humans would be 'unGodly' and 'a violation of the divine plan'.

And God raised lots of people from the dead. He raised His Son Jesus from the dead. He raised Lazarus from the dead. Other examples can be found in Ezekiel (the dry bones), and in at least one of the Gospels (immediately after Jesus' death). Among others.


Yes, I know that there are resurrections in the Bible, and they're possible because it's the work of God. I'm talking about resurrection when humans ('necromancers') attempt to carry it out.

As far as purgatory goes, purgatory is not scripturally supported. It is an idea created by man and is a predominantly Catholic belief. It does not permeate all of Christianity.


Yes, I acknowledged that. I said 'if you believe in that'.

Anyway, I don't like where this is heading - religion is always a touchy subject - so I suggest we shift back to the original topic, or take it to private messaging or something before it gets messy (which it may already have done).

- Matt
User avatar
Sir Kohran
Sheriff
 
Posts: 1564
Joined: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:24 am

Postby Danielas » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:52 pm

Back two subject. What i origanly was thinking was do they need someone like a Nazgul or The Mouth of Saron like cariter since skeletons don't have intelligence?
Sorry about spelling i am in a rush.
God Bless. Danielas

Procrastinators Unite!!!!

(tomorrow)

Proud soldier of Classic-Castle. As in, I fight against the Legion of the Aggie.
User avatar
Danielas
Steward
 
Posts: 511
Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:22 pm
Location: Weather Top or Amon-Sul

PreviousNext

Return to Dear LEGO

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest