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Postby David Girard » Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:28 pm

look at this picture:
http://store4.yimg.com/I/dragonballzcen ... 4_77842221

The minifig can't be yellow. Compare to the yellow color back you see it's kind of tan-pink color. Even in a bad lighting you can't make this, except if you want to change your color. If it's yellow, Lego could had use a red lighting to make this color. But I don't think Lego is stupid.

So I think this is this very color. They made a white skin minifig = tan-pink color.

P.S if you have a better way to name this color you can correct me. I try to explain my thought in English (not my natural language).
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Postby architect » Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:49 pm

Hi David,

You are right, this skin color isnt yellow. Some of the sets look like the heads are yellow, but not this one. The photo contrast does seem to be bad in these pictures. It might be hard to see the exact skin tone until we see the actual bricks. It does appear to be a tan/pink, maybe with a hint of orange too.

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Postby David Girard » Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:08 pm

Thanks Architect. I'm not worried about my English. It's just because sometimes I don't find the word to explain what I want to say and I have to make a big explanation for a simple idea.

The more important is to be able to communicate :wink:

Yes. There a bit of orange too. Is there a name for the color of the skin of white peoples ? Something better than tan-pink-orange ? :D
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Postby TwoTonic Knight » Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:21 pm

CJXXX wrote:has anyone laid substantial claim to the fact that these figs are racialized? from looking at the photos, they look yellow to me, under poor lighting. The other colors in the photos look somewhat strange as well, and in some shots the figs are definitely yellow. I wish lego would stay "race-neutral" (since nothing else in the world seems to be) but I don't think we have an issue here. Anyone have any press releases or definite statements that we've got non-yellow people here? Or are we going off these sketchy quality photos?


"Racialized"? Is that a word? :D

Do you mean have the figures been rendered with somewhat more natural skin tones similiar to the NBA figures? In some photos they look like they might have been, in some they look awfully yellow.

And, as Lego figured out, a pale color isn't really "neutral".
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Postby CJXXX » Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:46 pm

Hmm...i took the word "racialized" from an earlier post in this thread :)

in that picture that David referred to, look also at the other colors...the tan bricks are pretty gross looking, and the sand green is way off. I just don't think we can judge by these photos.
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Postby jimjo » Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:50 pm

they do look different skinned but in the sirius set might it not just be that they did it beacause he is dirty beacause he is not exatly a clean man is he
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Postby Devari » Wed Jan 07, 2004 8:27 pm

Humm... Well, with these "racialized" figures, we should, for realism of course, have anatomically correct women. After all, if we are getting in to "proper" colouring, why not "proper" anatomy?
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Postby Blasterman » Wed Jan 07, 2004 9:09 pm

Where do you see, on the new male figs, any form of
a "package"? So why would we need proper anatomy
for the women exactly? Or was that just sarcasm?

This isn't about realism. It's about properly portraying
licensed characters through the use of different colors.
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Postby Devari » Wed Jan 07, 2004 9:19 pm

Blasterman wrote:Where do you see, on the new male figs, any form of
a "package"? So why would we need proper anatomy
for the women exactly? Or was that just sarcasm?

This isn't about realism. It's about properly portraying
licensed characters through the use of different colors.


Well... Anatomically correct minifigs would also be about properly portraying licensed figures as well...

One of my biggest quarrels with "racially correct" minifigures is that they will soon expand in to other lines and effectively kill the Yellow people. I mena, once they make their two biggest lines "racial", they can't stop, can they?

[edit] I suppose I should mention that the reason I did not mention male anatomy is because, unless Harry Potter is wearing tight pants, it really wouldn't be all that visible.
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Postby Blasterman » Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:14 am

Well... Anatomically correct minifigs would also be
about properly portraying licensed figures as well...


Not in the Lego minifig world. If these were 12in. GIJoes,
sure. Make them more physically accurate. However,
there is no way in Hades that Lego minifigs represent
anything near "anatomically correct". That would be
very difficult to do using minifig design parameters.

The skin color however, is entirely different. It's simply
a color of plastic, to more accurately portray whoever
it is. Color can be easily dealt with, as opposed to
correct body parts.

If I could only count the number of times that
someone said -

"Well, Lando was played by a black guy, so his minifig
should be brown."
I couldn't agree more, however...since when was Luke
yellow? Another statement of color interest -

"If I have 100 minifigs on a table, how would I tell which
one is Lando if he wasn't brown?"
Hmmm...how indeed? Tell me, how exactly would you
tell where Luke is in that sea of minifigs? It certainly
wouldn't be from his color, would it? No. It would be
by recognizing the overall minifig, or his costume.

My only concern is for the licensed characters , of course.
There's no need to "color" generic themes because yellow
has always worked for no-name(not based on any real
person) minifigs.

And again - having the option to use yellow or colors
on your minifigs, sounds like the better way to at least
try to please everyone.
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Postby groovyd2001 » Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:37 am

Ok to what people are saying about Sirrus charcter being a different color than the standerd yellow I think the only reason he isn't yellow is he is a prisoner and in the story he didn't see any light since harry was born and since when you don't see the light you turn pale i thinks thats what the lego company was trying to pull of here make him look like a locked away lego character.
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Postby Devari » Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:57 am

Blasterman wrote:If I could only count the number of times that
someone said -

"Well, Lando was played by a black guy, so his minifig
should be brown."
I couldn't agree more, however...since when was Luke
yellow? Another statement of color interest -

"If I have 100 minifigs on a table, how would I tell which
one is Lando if he wasn't brown?"
Hmmm...how indeed? Tell me, how exactly would you
tell where Luke is in that sea of minifigs? It certainly
wouldn't be from his color, would it? No. It would be
by recognizing the overall minifig, or his costume.


But... Won't all the other figures be "sun-burnt" as well? That argument doesn't make sense to me because you will still have trouble telling your Lukes apart from your other "sun-burnts".

Blasterman wrote:My only concern is for the licensed characters , of course.
There's no need to "color" generic themes because yellow
has always worked for no-name(not based on any real
person) minifigs.


The problem I find is that once they start colouring the licensed characters, it will soon expand in to the generic realm. Can they really stop the "racialization"? Probably not...

The four reasons I don't like "racialized figures" are:

1. I prefer not to bring race in to my LEGO world.

2. I do not feel that the "coloured" figures will fit in with my regular LEGO people. I find that the "sun-burnt" figures do not fit very well in to the general LEGO colour palette. At least the brown was a somewhat "basic" colour.

3. I do depend (and still will) on SW for the fantastic torsos for my peasents and magi. I also depend on HP to a lesser extent for my books, creatures, and some pieces.

4. I doubt the "racialization" will stop with licensed lines. Why would it? After all, SW and HP together make up the biggest of the minifigure lines.
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Postby Blasterman » Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:34 pm

The example with the "sea of minifigs" was based from the
concept of "brown is the only right color to do Lando in",
in order to pick him out of a crowd of yellow.

1. I prefer not to bring race in to my LEGO world.

Too late for one. Secondly, then why would you use
brown?...as you said "At least the brown was a somewhat "basic" colour."
Isn't that a "race"?


2. I do not feel that the "coloured" figures will fit in with my regular LEGO people. I find that the "sun-burnt" figures do not fit very well in to the general LEGO colour palette. At least the brown was a somewhat "basic" colour.

Then don't buy them, or you can trade me for them.

3. I do depend (and still will) on SW for the fantastic torsos for my peasents and magi. I also depend on HP to a lesser extent for my books, creatures, and some pieces.


You can and will be able to still do that. Swap the heads!
I'm sure you do that to some extent anyway. If all you
want are the "fantastic torsos", what's the problem?
For what you say you want, you'll be fine.

4. I doubt the "racialization" will stop with licensed lines. Why would it? After all, SW and HP together make up the biggest of the minifigure lines.

There is no basis to believe that generic themes will ever
include colored minifigs. SW and HP will end some day,
and any other licensed themes will also be short runs.
Generic themes have and will live on...in yellow.

It comes down to this - you want what you want. That's
fine with me. But why all the fuss from people because
others might get something they want?
Talk about being selfish...there it is on a grand scope.
I'm a fan that spends too much money on this stuff,
much like most people. Am I not eligible for anything
that I might want? Or at least the option to have
something close to what I want?

All this because of that stupid brown Lando.
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Postby architect » Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:47 pm

Hi Everyone :D

This is becoming a heated debate. Several different viewpoints have been expressed about the skin tone issue.

I am locking this thread because I believe both sides have stated their viewpoints and probably will not convince each other to change their minds.

As fans, we have to live with what LEGO produces and can not do much about it.

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