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Re: Lands of Classic Castle - Discussion Thread

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So a question was raised on when Loreos and Lenfald will be reopened for sign-ups.

When we closed those two factions, it was based off of "active member counts", meaning when evaluating the imbalanced signups, we only counted people who had signed up or participated within the last 6 months (even if it was only one post).

I haven't had time to reevaluate those totals, so if someone would like to do that and PM me their findings, that would be great.

Until then, or until one of the FOs has time to do it (Mark is at BrickFair, Frisky is out of town, I'm spending my free time studying for a big exam, I'm sure orks is busy as well), the factions of Loreos and Lenfald will remain closed.

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Maybe we should make 2 lists of players for each faction, active players ( At least one post in the last 6 months ) and non-active players ( Fewer than one post in the last 6 months ) ?

I know for a while Orks had a color coded list of the most active players ( Highest score ), active players and non-active players for Outlaws. I either assume he had to given up on it because it was very time consuming, or maybe it all got messed up moving threads. I'm not entirely sure.
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Ok, just got back from a short little vacation, and I'm glad this issue has finally been raised, since I've been thinking about it off and on for a while now.

Before I submit my "findings", I'll say that all I did was give a brief look at our faction memberlist and think about whether or not I could remember someone posting/participating over the past month (I don't have the time/patience to give an in-depth look through all the topics). Basically, take what I have to say with a grain of salt.

I can however, say with reasonable certainty that out of the 40-50 people listed for Lenfald as being "official" members, I could not vouch for more than 15-16 of them as having participated at all during the past 6 months (which is a generous timeframe, IMO). I'll give a short list of people who I know to have been active:

1. Caelan Munro
2. Mitah val Karem
3. Friskywhiskers
4. Luke the Swift
5. Albatross_Viking
6. soccerkid6
7. LettuceBrick
8. SSmidt
9. Disco86
10. SergeantChipmunk44
11. theboywarrior
12. Teherean (technically he has "participated" based on the criteria which AK laid out for us to judge by. However, given that he's only posted 1 (maybe two?) free build(s) during the past few months, I personally feel that should not merit full "participant" status. Nevertheless, I included him because he does technically qualify)
13. Mpoh98 (in recent months his activity has declined, but he fits the criteria on which we are to judge)
14. Gyustil
15. Sir Haymar
16. digger1221
17. Andared of Lenfald


So out of the 51 or so members that we are reported as having, a mere 33% of them are actually actively participating. I don't deny that I've probably missed a name or two here and there (my sincerest apologies to anyone who may have been offended), but on the whole, it seems that Lenfald's actual population numbers are being severely inflated by inactive members.
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Great point Andared, and thank you for taking the lead for Lenfald.
I would propose that for each faction, we make an official Active and inactive list. Our factions are becoming incredibly cluttered with inactive members IN ALL OF THEM.
We can update factions active and inactive members once a quarter and base our entire membership rosters on active members, not inactive.

The criteria for active and inactive members could be based upon builds, or even posts in faction threads (as a father, my time to spend building is quite minute, although I still try to remain very active on this forum).
Then maybe, in order for someone to transition from active to inactive, they must make a free build or something of the sort.
It's seems like members stay hidden until there are contests with prizes, and then jump out at the thought of possibly winning something. I'm not saying that's bad, but I think LCC was originally established for the fun out of building, and I for one hope it stays that way.

I think there should be an active and inactive list, and not building within 6 months or not posting within 4 months should place one on the inactive list. Then, in order to be removed from active to inactive, they must make a freebuild. Inactive members are not allowed to participate in Global challenges until they have reestablished their connection with a freebuild.


These of course, are just suggestions that I make to the King's Council.
I do think it needs to be addressed somehow.
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SSchmidt wrote:I would propose that for each faction, we make an official Active and inactive list. Our factions are becoming incredibly cluttered with inactive members IN ALL OF THEM.
We can update factions active and inactive members once a quarter and base our entire membership rosters on active members, not inactive.
Totally agree with Schmidt on all accounts, but most definitely on this one. I think we should encourage people to participate in LCC "year round" rather than every time there is a contest with a prize in it.


Also, another thing I want to point out is that I'm well aware that the inactivity inflation is not restricted to Lenfald by any means. For instance, the outlaws are claimed to have 30+ members, but off the top of my head, I can't recall any activity from more than 7-8 at best. When we consider overall participation, I still believe that Lenfald has one of the larger player bases.

It would be really nice if we could see the stats or just rough estimates of the population of other factions.
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I would think that the other factions will have someone step up and post their statistics. Once again, thank you Andared for taking the lead on this for Lenfald!

But, in the meantime, as AK stated, I whole-heartedly agree that faction sign up remain closed for Loreos and Lenfald. Even if we only have 17-18 active members, that appears to be 10 more than the outlaws.

In the meantime, I would encourage every single LCC participant to thank AK_Brickster and ALL the FO's and FL's for their continuous involvement and support of the LCC. We don't realize it, but they put a tremendous amount of work into everything that makes the LCC so good.

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I agree with everything you guys have stated. Personally I think that 6 months is much to generous a time frame, and it should be more like 3 months, maybe 4 for build, 3 for post. If someone posted a reply to a topic six months ago and has not done scratch since, I dont think that really qualifies as "active". I would be willing to write down a brief estimate of outlaw participants, but I for one definitely dont want to have to slog through 6 months worth of posts (most of which would be made by the most active 4 or 5 members). Just from memory I can say that these folks have been active over at the outlaws:
1) Orks
2)William Navarre (sorry if I spelled that wrong)
3) Rifiröfi
4) Burlough
5) Zarcharyislazy
6) Ferretclaw (me) :)
7) Aeridien (again, sorry if I spelled that wrong)
8 ) Gavin of Lockwood
Thats all I can remember off the top of my head, although I do know that we have had a few other CIC signups that went through, but the members have not posted anything besides the CIC itself. Maybe we have anywhere between 12 and 15 "active" members here.
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Ferretclaw wrote: 2)William Navarre (sorry if I spelled that wrong)
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Third world internet is deplorable.

There is a point to that statement, as it is my odd segue for the reasoning behind me gathering the totals on "active" members from each faction. I got so tired of staring at my downloads, hoping for them to speed up, that I decided to lend a hand. Hopefully, the torrent Gods will bless my deed with higher speeds.

The date that follows each member (excluding Faction Overseers) is of their most recent build (free, guild or challenge entry). If the member has two dates, the first is of their most recent comment and the second will be of their most recent build.

You can see the results below, listed in order of north to south, or in each individual faction's page.

GARHEIM: 18 "active" members
  • 01. AK BRICKSTER
    02. ANDHE [08 JUL 2013]
    03. ATHALUS [12 JUL 2013]
    04. AZAGHAL [18 FEB 2013]
    05. BROTHER STEVEN [18 JUL 2013]
    06. COLOBUSTACO [27 JUL 2013]
    07. CRAZYCROWNIEGUY [18 JUL 2013] [20 JUN 2013]
    08. DAKEN THE BLADESMITH [08 JUL 2013]
    09. EKLUND [12 JUL 2013]
    10. EMPERORMARKUSI [28 MAR 2013]
    11. GURUSQL [21 JUL 2013] [09 JUL 2013]
    12. MASTER OF IT ALL [28 JUL 2013]
    13. MATTIAS [01 MAR 2013]
    14. RICHARDAM [31 JUL 2013]
    15. RONIN DRAGONSLAYER [29 JUL 2013]
    16. SIRTHARKIN [06 MAY 2013]
    17. STR0NGBAD [01 AUG 2013]
    18. TASTYMUFFINS [03 JUL 2013]
LENFALD: 23 "active" members
  • 01. FRISKYWHISKERS
    02. ALBATROSS VIKING [25 JUL 2013] [24 JUN 2013]
    03. ANDARED OF LENFALD [26 JUL 2013] [23 JUL 2013]
    04. CAELEN [27 JUL 2013] [23 JUN 2013]
    05. ELDERON [15 APR 2013] [25 MAR 2013]
    06. DERRICK R. [12 MAY 2013]
    07. DIGGER1221 [21 APR 2013] [18 APR 2013]
    08. DISCO86 [15 JUL 2013] [03 JUL 2013]
    09. GRANT W. [10 JUN 2013] [20 MAY 2013]
    10. GYUSTSIL [30 JUL 2013]
    11. LETTUCEBRICK [02 AUG 2013]
    12. LUKE THE SWIFT [31 JUL 2013] [24 JUL 2013]
    13. MAIK ZU NIEDERSTEIN [30 JUN 2013]
    14. MASTERMAGE107 [27 MAR 2013]
    15. MITAH [09 JUL 2013]
    16. MPOH98 [23 APR 2013]
    17. PETTURIK [10 JUN 2013] [22 MAY 2013]
    18. SERGEANTCHIPMUNK44 [28 JUL 2013]
    19. SIR HAYMAR [24 JUN 2013]
    20. SOCCERKID6 [27 JUN 2013] [14 JUN 2013]
    21. SSCHMIDT [28 JUL 2013]
    22. TEHEREAN [23 MAY 2013] [14 APR 2013]
    23. THEBOYWARRIOR [29 JUL 2013]
LOREOS: 28 "active" members
  • 01. MARK OF FALWORTH
    02. BENTOFT [15 JUL 2013]
    03. BUURLI [19 MAY 2013]
    04. CALCULUS3.14 [04 FEB]
    05. DONALD13 [30 APR 2013]
    06. GID617 [19 MAY 2013]
    07. HAYDEN. [24 JUL 2013]
    08. JACKSON WILLIAMS [08 MAY 2013]
    09. JMAN44 [11 APR 2013] [08 APR 2013]
    10. JOHN DANIELS [17 MAY 2013] [30 APR 2013]
    11. JUSTIN M [31 JUL 2013]
    12. KNIGHT MAN [09 APR 2013]
    13. LORD LEGO [27 JUL 2013]
    14. LORDWOODZ [07 MAY 2013]
    15. LUKE SMITH [28 MAR 2013]
    16. MASTERMINIFIG [01 AUG 2013]
    17. MATTIUSXAVIER [30 JUL 2013] [23 JUL 2013]
    18. MENCOT [04 JUN 2013] [30 MAY 2013]
    19. NW9000 [24 MAY 2013]
    20. PEDRO IVO [30 JUL 2013]
    21. PETER DE YEULE [10 APR 2013]
    22. PYRO GUY [31 JUL 2013]
    23. ROYALBRICKCUSTOMS [29 JUL 2013]
    24. SIR BRAGALLOT [11 APR 2013] [07 FEB 2013]
    25. SIR ERATHOR [01 AUG 2013]
    26. SIRAIDAN [13 JUL 2013]
    27. THOMAS ARROWFORD [19 JUN 2013]
    28. WOODDOGSAM [31 JUL 2013]
OUTLAWS: 18 "active" members
  • 01. LORD OF ORKS
    02. AERIDIAN [25 JUL 2013] [23 MAR 2013]
    03. BENJAMEDES [21 MAY 2013]
    04. BURLOGH [31 JUL 2013]
    05. DA MAXIMUS [11 JUN 2013]
    06. DEVIET [05 JUN 2013]
    07. FERRETCLAW [03 AUG 2013] [26 JUL 2013]
    08. GAVIN OF LOCKWOOD [13 JUL 2013] [18 JUN 2013]
    09. JOSDU [02 AUG 2013]
    10. JOSHWEDIN [22 FEB 2013] [18 FEB 2013]
    11. KYLEKREATIONS [01 MAY 2013] [29 JAN 2013]
    12. NANUCK95 [01 MAY 2013] [17 MAR 2013]
    13. RIFIROFI [26 JUL 2013]
    14. SHMAILS [06 MAY 2013]
    15. SIERCON AND CORAL [09 FEB 2013]
    16. SKAFORHIRE [04 FEB 2013]
    17. TRADEMARK [16 FEB 2013]
    18. ZACHARYISLAZY [02 AUG 2013] [25 JUL 2013]
These numbers were based on a member having made a post and a free build within the last six months. Due to this, the five to six new members each within the factions of Garheim and the Outlaws, who have only submitted Character Introductions, were not counted. One to three members each within the factions of Lenfald and Loreos were not counted for only having made a single post without any build submission within six months. However, my numbers for Lenfald were gathered from their current thread which was started in March 2013 (five months). I did not look for the previous thread to try and see if there were any other members that would qualify from any participation in February.

Obviously, use this as you like, as I agree that active member status and rosters on each faction's front page should be updated.
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Bronx,

That is fantastic detective work! Thank you so much for doing this (and you're not even in the LCC!)!

Based on Bronx's findings, I still stand by my original statement that the decision by our Kings Council to keep Loreos and Lenfald closed to new members is wise. It is apparent new member numbers are heavily rising in both Garheim and Outlaws, and I feel it won't be too much longer until they are even. I think with this list, we have a much better reflection/representation of our faction involvement, and this can help our KC make their decisions.

In the meantime, lets try to convince Bronx to join the LCC :wink:
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5 more and outlaws and garhiem will be even with lenfald, but loroes will still be 5 ahead of us all. Probably lenfald should open sooner then loroes then.

If all the new cic members would just post a free build, I am sure we would be there in no time.
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Personally, I wouldn't consider an additional five to the Outlaws as a tie.

Yes, it would bring them within range of the two leading, closed factions, but it really depends on your (or perhaps, really, the King's Council's) view of "active," as an actual third of the Outlaws' "active" members have not participated (regarding builds) in five months; they barely made the six month cutoff. The very same applies to three members of Garheim on their list. Loreos' attrition is less severe with only one member exceeding five months (another member has not made a build submission in almost six, but has posted comments as recent as four). Lenfald had none. They're all there. Those guys really love their trees. :tasty:

So, considering six months is a very generous amount of time, even changing it by a single month changes the numbers and further increases the disparity between factions. The five to six new people that have recently signed up, should they be active, will most definitely help. But, keeping Lenfald and Loreos closed is still for the best.
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SSchmidt wrote:That is fantastic detective work!
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You must be! :lol: Great job compiling all of this; you may be modest but the numbers would have been too much for me :twitch:

On an unrelated topic, is bumping a build or thread acceptable?
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It would probably depend on the nature of the bump. Like, if you were bumping something to draw attention to something done in the past, to get more views, comments, etc., I'm pretty sure that isn't necessary.

However if you were bumping to add something additional that had not been discussed, or if you were bumping a thread relating to LCC armies, special forces, ect., because you had new content, then I'm sure that would be acceptable. Many threads from years ago get bumped, but it is generally because additional content or new insight is offered.

I, however, am not an admin, moderator, or anything, so you should probably take my comment with a grain of salt and consult your ever friendly LCC-Overlord or the Admins, who will go out of their way to assist you in any matter you may hav.
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bronx wrote:Personally, I wouldn't consider an additional five to the Outlaws as a tie.

Yes, it would bring them within range of the two leading, closed factions, but it really depends on your (or perhaps, really, the King's Council's) view of "active," as an actual third of the Outlaws' "active" members have not participated (regarding builds) in five months; they barely made the six month cutoff. The very same applies to three members of Garheim on their list. Loreos' attrition is less severe with only one member exceeding five months (another member has not made a build submission in almost six, but has posted comments as recent as four). Lenfald had none. They're all there. Those guys really love their trees. :tasty:

So, considering six months is a very generous amount of time, even changing it by a single month changes the numbers and further increases the disparity between factions. The five to six new people that have recently signed up, should they be active, will most definitely help. But, keeping Lenfald and Loreos closed is still for the best.
Yes, true. I am just saying that this is if we go by the rules AK put out for us. I agree that six months is a very generous amount of time, and that it should be three or four. I also agree that the two said factions should remain closed for a while. And I still say that if all the guys that posted cics recently built a free build or something it would really help out. Cics are great, and there have been some really cool ones (lol mine was extremely simple) but I dont think it really counts as being active. Heck some guys just post a pic of a fig holding a flag and then disappear for a month. By my definition that is not active.

I think active should be decided by a build within 3 months (maybe four) or a post within the last one or two months.

Needless to say, if someone has not been active for a while, but they decide to come back later on, they can play some more and will be added to the "active" list, so being active just decides the number of active members in a faction, nothing more. I also think that we should have two lists on the main post of the sign up thread, and each faction thread: a list of total members, and a list of active members.
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