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Re: Brickfair Virginia 2014 Coordination Thread

Postby SSchmidt » Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:54 am

Caelan wrote:There's fudge room built in by an algorithm which allows for some buffering between MOCs, so SSchmidt's "Long-live my nasty Queen" MOCs don't have to sit touching Lord Mercat's "Off with her head!" MOCs.


God save Queen Galainir!

Seriously though, thanks a bunch Gary for the update. I will switch my MOC's over. I am looking at a total force of about 500 Outlaws for the event (although I am seriously wondering if it even be worth it to bring them all, as posing them would take hours!). And these aren't your typical, bare-chested, hairy, illiterate Outlaws (with the exception of the 100 + orcs, goblins, and trolls). These are soldiers of the Queen, new dragon knights, old revised dragon knights, Bat lords and fright knights, etc. They are all armed as well.

My original plan for Brickfair VA was to have a massive castle, owned by my Outlaw forces, and being seiged by my other 200+ other faction troops. After seriously considering this, I don't see how this will be possible for me to pull off alone.

I realize there needs to be building, but I am wondering how well a massive minifigure battlefield would look? I am still quite convinced I should display my massive minifigure armies on the field of battle. Then again, isn't this frowned upon by some?


As far as a collobarative build, I am convinced there needs to be an actual castle there somewhere. After all, this is the "Lands of Classic CASTLE" hosted on http://www.classic-CASTLE.com

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Re: Brickfair Virginia 2014 Coordination Thread

Postby Caelan » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:34 am

Louie le Brickvalier wrote:An idea just came to me...
Louie are you definitely coming? That would be great. This idea would fit for the vignettes.

ALL: I think we have two ways to participate here: Vignettes, just about anything we do for LCC, and the Collective Build. The way I see it, the following has been suggested for the collective:

1. Big, hairy hack & slash battle. SSchmidt versus everyone else :roflol: His 500+ band of foul, tyrant-supporting Outlaws vs. whatever we can muster up in the way of opposition. Adherents of this: Joshua, SSchmidt, Lord Mercat, and this guy named Caelan. Anyone else?

2. Collective build of a town, with different architecture representing the 4 factions, joined together to symbolically represent Roawia. I believe Zachary is the main proponent here; anyone else? This would take a lot of pre-convention committment and coordination, but it would be very cool.

3. Anything else?

SSchmidt wrote:I am looking at a total force of about 500 Outlaws for the event (although I am seriously wondering if it even be worth it to bring them all, as posing them would take hours!)....I don't see how this will be possible for me to pull off alone....I am wondering how well a massive minifigure battlefield would look? ...Then again, isn't this frowned upon by some?

Guys, please go to this FLICKR image here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/52637701@N06/6111673399/
This was a massive Napoleonic battle that Casey Mungle, Magnus Lauglo, Joshua and I, and about 6 other friends set up in one night at BFVA 2011. There are over 1000 figs here, and we did it in one night. And BFVA is now 5 days long...It's NOT looked down upon; that's the Star Wars Cloner kiddies who just line up their 100s of Clones in formation on a plate. We would potentially be doing a battle, with posing and terrain. Actually, this sort of thing is very popular at the show.

SSchmidt, we just need to figure if this is the collective build we all are doing, and if so you will have everyone's help. And attackers always need to outnumber defenders by 2-to-1 in assailing a modest fortress; for anything that's really walled it's more like 4-to-1; this is basic infantry tactics. This means we count the number of troops of the three factions you will be facing, then divide by 3 and that's how many Outlaws you will need for defense in the potential collective. Perhaps it should be reverse if we can't come up with the numbers for the 3 factions, and maybe they will be on the defense...

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Re: Brickfair Virginia 2014 Coordination Thread

Postby Lord Mercat » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:09 am

I am all for the throw down battle. I think it would be a big draw, and turn out to be really cool! I have a bunch of minifigs as well I can bring for the collab, I've got some Black Falcons that I can gear up if we need some Garhim soldiers, my Lenfel mercenary force that I'm working on, and some loreesi red elves. I can also bring several rancors that I've geared up to work as battle trolls that I think would be a really cool accent to help out Schmidt's massive Pro-Galanir assembly, should he prefer. http://www.classic-castle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=25063

I also think if we are going to do the battle though, we've got to work out how much space we are going to take up first, and from there we can determine the setting- I am all for the Gates of Stonewald- and about how many figs we would need to have a good battle setup. One we've got the total amount of figs necessary, we can determine who is going to bring how many of what, and if the outlaws need to be on the defensive or offensive.

Also, yeah the whole fig battle thing is not looked down at all. I actually had a battlefield setup for my Brickfair VA 2013 display, where I basically used the display as a battlefield for a game of brikwars (think lego wargame). It was pretty fun, and we had a lot of the public who seemed to like it as well.
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Re: Brickfair Virginia 2014 Coordination Thread

Postby ZacharyIslazy » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:20 pm

Caelan wrote:1. Big, hairy hack & slash battle. SSchmidt versus everyone else :roflol: His 500+ band of foul, tyrant-supporting Outlaws vs. whatever we can muster up in the way of opposition. Adherents of this: Joshua, SSchmidt, Lord Mercat, and this guy named Caelan. Anyone else?

2. Collective build of a town, with different architecture representing the 4 factions, joined together to symbolically represent Roawia. I believe Zachary is the main proponent here; anyone else? This would take a lot of pre-convention committment and coordination, but it would be very cool.

3. Anything else?

Thoughts?


I was originally against a giant battle not a collective town/village, but I've gotten over that now. :) I'm more opposed to the whole clone kiddie thing of lining up hundreds of figs on a 64 baseplate. To each his/her own but I don't find that very interesting.

I wouldn't mind a huge battle. Maybe the siege of a keep with big open plains all around? I also wouldn't mind posing a couple hundred figs for battle either. That's one of the best parts of building a battle scene! :lol:

I'm also planning on bringing at least one vig of something Outlaw related. I think it would be nice for the public to see all the different factions in their own light. I can assume Lenfald is already represented? If Mark and Steven plan on going again I'm sure they'll both bring a Loreos and Garheim build.
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Re: Brickfair Virginia 2014 Coordination Thread

Postby SSchmidt » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:08 pm

I will plan at least one Outlaw related build to bring as well.

We could showcase builds for the guilds we have, to bring some diversity to our displays

Here is a list of troops at my current disposal

OUTLAW FORCES
Dragon knights- 70
Leaders/generals - 15
Specialized forces with war hounds - 30
Light infantry - 30
Heavy infantry - 55
Cavaliers (with horses) - 50
Pikemen - 20
Archers, spear throwers, crossbowmen - 65
Dwarven artillery unit - 25
Dwarven siege weaponry - 23 siege units
Militia and men at arms with Akademy graduates -100

Orcish force with goblins and trolls - 105
Armed cave trolls with armor - 8


Yikes. After looking over my forces, I have quite a bit more than I realized (my new goblins and orcs have given a considerable boost, and I have at least 9 more coming)

So I have a little under 600 Outlaws. If I could ever have the patience to part out my unopened hobbit and LOTR
sets I would have about 100 more.


LENFALDS- about 70-80

GARHIMS- about 60-70

LOREESI- about 100-115


I could commit these guys (as much as needed) for the event.

Not all my Lenfald's and loreesi are yellows though. Some are fleshies. :tasty:
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Re: Brickfair Virginia 2014 Coordination Thread

Postby Sir Haymar » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:35 pm

Sorry I haven't posted in a while, with my great-aunt visiting I forgot to check here periodically.
Caelan wrote:ALL: I think we have two ways to participate here: Vignettes, just about anything we do for LCC, and the Collective Build. The way I see it, the following has been suggested for the collective:
1. Big, hairy hack & slash battle. SSchmidt versus everyone else :roflol: His 500+ band of foul, tyrant-supporting Outlaws vs. whatever we can muster up in the way of opposition. Adherents of this: Joshua, SSchmidt, Lord Mercat, and this guy named Caelan. Anyone else?
2. Collective build of a town, with different architecture representing the 4 factions, joined together to symbolically represent Roawia. I believe Zachary is the main proponent here; anyone else? This would take a lot of pre-convention committment and coordination, but it would be very cool.
3. Anything else?Thoughts?

Thank you, "Adviser". :P You have some good points though.
ZacharyIslazy wrote:I was originally against a giant battle not a collective town/village, but I've gotten over that now. I'm more opposed to the whole clone kiddie thing of lining up hundreds of figs on a 64 baseplate. To each his/her own but I don't find that very interesting. I wouldn't mind a huge battle. Maybe the siege of a keep with big open plains all around? I also wouldn't mind posing a couple hundred figs for battle either. That's one of the best parts of building a battle scene!

Execllent! I agree, posing the figs is one of the best parts about a huge battle. :D
Lord Mercat wrote:I also think if we are going to do the battle though, we've got to work out how much space we are going to take up first, and from there we can determine the setting- I am all for the Gates of Stonewald- and about how many figs we would need to have a good battle setup. One we've got the total amount of figs necessary, we can determine who is going to bring how many of what, and if the outlaws need to be on the defensive or offensive. Also, yeah the whole fig battle thing is not looked down at all. I actually had a battlefield setup for my Brickfair VA 2013 display, where I basically used the display as a battlefield for a game of brikwars (think lego wargame).

I remember that now! I complimented your awesome rancors. They'd be a great addition to our display!

Everyone has some great ideas, and I'd love to do them all, but sadly we don't have enough lego for that. :( Since the majority are for it, I think a gigantic battle is what we'll do. All in favor of this course of action (pun intended :lol:), PM me. The next thing then is, what kind of battle shall we do? A siege on the King's-now-Queen's castle? A huge field battle? Or perhaps the re-taking of a major city, like Lord Mercat is in favor of? I'd love to hear what you all think on this. Also, does anyone know if Mark, Steven, and Stuartt are coming? Because if so, I'll need to update the list of collab members that I have. Again, please let me know what you think. I value all your opinions highly.

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Re: Brickfair Virginia 2014 Coordination Thread

Postby ZacharyIslazy » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:31 am

Sir Haymar wrote:The next thing then is, what kind of battle shall we do? A siege on the King's-now-Queen's castle? A huge field battle? Or perhaps the re-taking of a major city, like Lord Mercat is in favor of? I'd love to hear what you all think on this. Also, does anyone know if Mark, Steven, and Stuartt are coming? Because if so, I'll need to update the list of collab members that I have. Again, please let me know what you think. I value all your opinions highly.



I think the siege of an Outlaw keep/castle would work best. My reasoning is that the 3 factions don't really hold any unified positions. And every time they've combined forces they've always been the attackers. So I think we should have some kind of central castle, maybe a big obsidian castle similar to Barad-dûr like we discussed earlier in the thread. This can be surrounded by rolling fields and swamps. I also think a good scenario for what the battle could look like would be an organized Outlaw force in the keep, with the three factions in formation around the castle. A unified force can be storming the gates, but towards the edges of the build we can have the unorganized Outlaw forces, Orcs, Outlaw bands and drifters, trolls, goblins, etc. coming to the aid of the besieged keep.

I'm not sure if Mark and Steven are coming, and I think Stuartt is in a dark age. Stuartt told me he might show up but without builds a couple months back, but I'm not sure if that's the case anymore.
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Re: Brickfair Virginia 2014 Coordination Thread

Postby Lord Mercat » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:08 am

Okay, these are my arguments for the retaking of a major city- Considering how many LCCers we have coming to this convention I think that we have a very rare opportunity to make a build that actually has a very large impact on the LCC storyline. While attacking an outlaw outpost would be really cool, I feel it doesn't have much of a story or role playing impact, especially as, at the time of BF VA, we seem to be heading right into the thick of the Roawian-wide rebellion! This is a very rare opportunity to show a major battle at the gates of an important Roawian city- we can become a part of a major event in Roawian history! On another note, technically one could argue that all major cities are outlaw outposts so long as the queen rules. :twisted:

I suggested Stonewald because of the various capitols of the regions, Lenfald is right in the middle, and Stonewald is in the heart of Lenfald- meaning that distance wise (From a Roawian perspective) it would be less of a travel for everyone, and thus would make more sense that a contingent of all three regions might feasibly be there.- for example if we did Balmunatha, than it would be tough to have some Garhims all the way down in Loreos, or if it were an Outlaw outpost in the swamps, its even more of a travel. Or vice versa with a location up in Garheim. Also, I don't see any reason we can't have a large area to stage a lot of the fight on in front of the gates.

Now, I also think that retaking the Queen's castle would be really cool, but I get the feeling we would probably need permission from the KC to do that before we all commit to it. If we did this however, it might be interesting to make the castle as warped by black magic, sort of like a twisted evil fortress more suitable for the Queen, courtesy of Maldrake's powers.

Anyhow, all that said, I believe I can commit to this project-

6 fully armed and operational battle Trolls

25 Loreesi Red Elves

50 Garhim Black Falcons

100 Lenfel Mercenaries

I may have more by the time of the fair, but fig wise that's about what I can commit to at this point in time.
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Re: Brickfair Virginia 2014 Coordination Thread

Postby Caelan » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:47 am

Lord Mercat wrote:Okay, these are my arguments for the retaking of a major city- Considering how many LCCers we have coming to this convention I think that we have a very rare opportunity to make a build that actually has a very large impact on the LCC storyline...I suggested Stonewald ...Now, I also think that retaking the Queen's castle would be really cool, but I get the feeling we would probably need permission from the KC to do that before we all commit to it.

A city would take some serious building coordination, and more importantly, time, which I do not have. We do have quite a few coming, but many of us are already committed to other collaborations. I for one will have to man the Civil War and Pharaoh's Labyrinth collabs the entire time the public is there Saturday and Sunday. And with the other MOCs I must build, I'll do what I can for LCC, but a city I can't do much for. My Black Swan Tavern is about it, and it's still a WIP at this point.

A big assault on a gnarly magic-infused black tower with a curtain wall hits the spot for me. As Zachary points out, swampy terrain provides lots of atmosphere and I really think it will gain a lot of attention if done right. We can warn the KC what we plan on doing now, and maybe they can work it into the LCC script! Especially when they see so many of us doing this. I can help with setting up the terrain and minifigs. My current tally to chip in is:

- 40 Lenfels: 17 Scout Snipers, 9 knights, 9 axemen, 4 crossbowmen and 1 herald
- 19 Loreesi: 5 knights, 2 halberders, 11 spearman and 1 archer
- 6 Garheim: 2 knights and 4 crossbowmen
- 14 Queens goons: 1 knight, 11 spearmen, 1 crossbowman and 1 herald
- 14 other Outlaws of various menacing natures...

Due to purchasing of more Civil War; and British soldiers and Zulu minifigs, this LCC army will not grow by much before BFVA. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
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Re: Brickfair Virginia 2014 Coordination Thread

Postby Lord Mercat » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:22 am

I was thinking more along the lines of portraying the gates/ front wall of the city, versus the whole entire city (no real need for an interior), I don't think I made that clear. It wouldn't really be too much different from building a tower with a curtain wall. Versus a random outlaw tower with regular outlaws, I think it would have more of an impact to battle the queen's forces, especially in a major location.

That said, I'm sure whatever we end up doing will be awesome.

Also, on a different note, I can probably also chip in a few evil wizards and such if needed.
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Re: Brickfair Virginia 2014 Coordination Thread

Postby ZacharyIslazy » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:32 pm

Lord Mercat wrote:Okay, these are my arguments for the retaking of a major city- Considering how many LCCers we have coming to this convention I think that we have a very rare opportunity to make a build that actually has a very large impact on the LCC storyline. While attacking an outlaw outpost would be really cool, I feel it doesn't have much of a story or role playing impact, especially as, at the time of BF VA, we seem to be heading right into the thick of the Roawian-wide rebellion! This is a very rare opportunity to show a major battle at the gates of an important Roawian city- we can become a part of a major event in Roawian history! On another note, technically one could argue that all major cities are outlaw outposts so long as the queen rules. :twisted:

I suggested Stonewald because of the various capitols of the regions, Lenfald is right in the middle, and Stonewald is in the heart of Lenfald- meaning that distance wise (From a Roawian perspective) it would be less of a travel for everyone, and thus would make more sense that a contingent of all three regions might feasibly be there.- for example if we did Balmunatha, than it would be tough to have some Garhims all the way down in Loreos, or if it were an Outlaw outpost in the swamps, its even more of a travel. Or vice versa with a location up in Garheim. Also, I don't see any reason we can't have a large area to stage a lot of the fight on in front of the gates.

Now, I also think that retaking the Queen's castle would be really cool, but I get the feeling we would probably need permission from the KC to do that before we all commit to it. If we did this however, it might be interesting to make the castle as warped by black magic, sort of like a twisted evil fortress more suitable for the Queen, courtesy of Maldrake's powers.


Although this a nice plan I see a few problems with it. First, although Stonewald is in the heart of Roawia, it's also in the heart of Lenfald. Like you said, this could be a key point for staging a rebellion, but the problem is that with it being in the heart of Lenfald it'll be much harder for Loressi and Garhims to travel there. With the Queen's rule in full effect it has become harder than ever for citizens to travel in between nations. Then there is how we decide to depict the city. If we do just the gates, it could work, but then I feel as if we only portrayed a small portion of the battle (Just at the gates). If we had a full tower like Gary and I are wanting, it'd be smaller, but it'd also give a full perspective of the battle. The other problem I see with this plan is that it would involve using many of the new castle figs for the Queen's troops, and I'm not sure how many everybody has. I only have 5. Still, if we do end up going with this plan I could talk with the KC and discuss what we plan, and if we can incorporate it into the story line.

The other plan of attacking the Queen's castle could work too, but again I'd have to talk with Jordan and the other Council members about how to implement it into the story line.

As for troops I can chip in, it's not much.
Maybe 10-15 Goblins, Orcs, Other creatures
10 MIsc. Outlaw Figs
5 Queen's Soldiers
5-6 Garhims
4 Lenfels
4 Loressi
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Re: Brickfair Virginia 2014 Coordination Thread

Postby Lord Mercat » Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:43 pm

ZacharyIslazy wrote:Although this a nice plan I see a few problems with it. First, although Stonewald is in the heart of Roawia, it's also in the heart of Lenfald. Like you said, this could be a key point for staging a rebellion, but the problem is that with it being in the heart of Lenfald it'll be much harder for Loressi and Garhims to travel there. With the Queen's rule in full effect it has become harder than ever for citizens to travel in between nations. Then there is how we decide to depict the city. If we do just the gates, it could work, but then I feel as if we only portrayed a small portion of the battle (Just at the gates). If we had a full tower like Gary and I are wanting, it'd be smaller, but it'd also give a full perspective of the battle. The other problem I see with this plan is that it would involve using many of the new castle figs for the Queen's troops, and I'm not sure how many everybody has. I only have 5. Still, if we do end up going with this plan I could talk with the KC and discuss what we plan, and if we can incorporate it into the story line.

The other plan of attacking the Queen's castle could work too, but again I'd have to talk with Jordan and the other Council members about how to implement it into the story line.

As for troops I can chip in, it's not much.
Maybe 10-15 Goblins, Orcs, Other creatures
10 MIsc. Outlaw Figs
5 Queen's Soldiers
5-6 Garhims
4 Lenfels
4 Loressi
1 Yursuf! :D (Mark and I discussed last year about gathering everyone's Yursufs into one build/photo shoot. We we're tentatively calling it A Gathering of Yursufs Unfortunately when I arrived last year, I forgot to bring my Yursuf :( )


I can see your points. Personally, I think even if we were only depicting a small portion of a larger battle, it would simply work to our favor and give a really great sense of a huge scale assault. Traveling between nations would be difficult, but if it were set in Lenfald, the maximum amount of borders one would have to cross is merely one border, due to its location. Secret movement to mobilize an assault would be difficult no matter where the battle occurs, but it would be easier than most other places were it in Lenfald. As for the Queen's soldiers, I figured Schmidt would have had that covered, as I think his forces are queen's supporters. I didn't mention it earlier because Schmidt seems to have the outlaws covered, but if this is a problem, I do have approximately 60 queen's soldiers lying around that we could intersperse with non-specific queen outlaws to tie all of the outlaws together as an army under the queen. I don't think you need the specific torsos to pull this off, you just need a few of them placed correctly, and some nice banners/shields.

That said you just gave me (what I think) is a marvelous idea for this collaboration. Maldrake the Silent. He seems to be the key adviser for the Queen and a cornerstone of her new empire. Now, with the permission of the KC- What if we made an all out assault on Maldrake's fortress? While I'm certain he spends a lot of his time with the Queen, he is bound to have his own evil fortress located somewhere. If an enterprising group of allied Roawian forces banded together and were able to capture his fortress, and Maldrake along with it,, that would be a major blow to the Queen- even if they failed, it would still be a major storyline event. This way we can both do something that really impacts Roawia, AND do the giant evil fortress that you guys wanted to do! What do you think?
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Re: Brickfair Virginia 2014 Coordination Thread

Postby royalbrickcustoms » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:46 pm

That said you just gave me (what I think) is a marvelous idea for this collaboration. Maldrake the Silent. He seems to be the key adviser for the Queen and a cornerstone of her new empire. Now, with the permission of the KC- What if we made an all out assault on Maldrake's fortress? While I'm certain he spends a lot of his time with the Queen, he is bound to have his own evil fortress located somewhere. If an enterprising group of allied Roawian forces banded together and were able to capture his fortress, and Maldrake along with it,, that would be a major blow to the Queen- even if they failed, it would still be a major storyline event. This way we can both do something that really impacts Roawia, AND do the giant evil fortress that you guys wanted to do! What do you think?


This is a great idea. Although I will most likely not participate, I could send some custom Dragon Knight banners and capes to enhance the battlefield.

Also, I believe that Maldrake does have a fortress somewhere on the Magical Isles.
I plan on sending someone with some freebie capes to give out to attendees, so I could send some stuff for the colab. too.

One other thing:

How many give-away capes should I make?

I was thinking 50-60.

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Re: Brickfair Virginia 2014 Coordination Thread

Postby ZacharyIslazy » Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:08 am

Lord Mercat wrote:
That said you just gave me (what I think) is a marvelous idea for this collaboration. Maldrake the Silent. He seems to be the key adviser for the Queen and a cornerstone of her new empire. Now, with the permission of the KC- What if we made an all out assault on Maldrake's fortress? While I'm certain he spends a lot of his time with the Queen, he is bound to have his own evil fortress located somewhere. If an enterprising group of allied Roawian forces banded together and were able to capture his fortress, and Maldrake along with it,, that would be a major blow to the Queen- even if they failed, it would still be a major storyline event. This way we can both do something that really impacts Roawia, AND do the giant evil fortress that you guys wanted to do! What do you think?


Hmmnn...This could definitely work! I'll have to talk with the KC about the plot line for Maldrake, but if this is something a majority of people could work with and want to do, I'm sure the KC could write this into his story. Maldrake the Silent goes out with an impressive *BANG*. :twisted:
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Re: Brickfair Virginia 2014 Coordination Thread

Postby Sir Haymar » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:30 pm

Lord Mercat wrote:That said you just gave me (what I think) is a marvelous idea for this collaboration. Maldrake the Silent. He seems to be the key adviser for the Queen and a cornerstone of her new empire. Now, with the permission of the KC- What if we made an all out assault on Maldrake's fortress? While I'm certain he spends a lot of his time with the Queen, he is bound to have his own evil fortress located somewhere. If an enterprising group of allied Roawian forces banded together and were able to capture his fortress, and Maldrake along with it,, that would be a major blow to the Queen- even if they failed, it would still be a major storyline event. This way we can both do something that really impacts Roawia, AND do the giant evil fortress that you guys wanted to do! What do you think?

I love it!! :D That is a fantastic idea, and I think that's what we should do. So, all in favor of Lord Mercat's idea, please PM me.
ALL, in order to make this work, I need a troop count from everyone. Please list how many of who you've got, so I can make a list of our collective armies. I have the following;

52 Outlaws (41 Queen's goons, 11 hairy, smelly, mean assorted Outlaws)

49 Lenfels

29 Loreesi

20 Garheimis

One thing, who's going to contact the KC?
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