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Postby Dragon Master » Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:15 am

http://www.english-titles.co.uk/index.htm

Ever wanted to be a Lord, or a knight? A Baron? A count?

Well apparently if you have the cash you can buy one. I've always dreamed of being nobility, but this is weird? Legally,its ok, but don't you think people would find it odd if you signed checks as Sir ... ..., or delivered mail to a Baron?

Weird...

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Postby doctorsparkles » Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:23 am

It'd be nice to be a baron or a count, but then how would I be able to choose between my new title and my current title of Reverend? I guess Reverend Sparkles sounds better anyway.
Besides, I'd much rather spend the money they're asking on LEGO.
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Postby Jojo » Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:40 am

Hello!


Dragon Master wrote:Well apparently if you have the cash you can buy one. I've always dreamed of being nobility, but this is weird? Legally,its ok, but don't you think people would find it odd if you signed checks as Sir ... ..., or delivered mail to a Baron?


The weirder thing about buying titles is the spuriousness. When buying the title you have got the title, OK, but you do not have the nobilty as well. If you are buing an academic title it doesn't mean you are intelligent. It's fake. It's megabloks.


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Postby Legomaat » Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:21 am

It is the same as with respect; You can earn it, but you can never buy it!

It is Megablocks indeed! 8)
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Postby jamitjames » Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:22 pm

Its dumb.....
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Postby Formendacil » Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:56 pm

Personally, I don't see any point to buying a noble title.

What's the nobility in that?

Now being 'knighted' or being given a peerage is different. That makes sense, its a reward for a life of service and hard work (or at least the right connections). But purchasing is tacky.

Not that I have an option. Unless you have dual citizenship, there's no nobility or rovalty in Canada. Not even the Queen (I haven't a clue how many citizenships she has, but its not just Canadian).

I think I may have to go the route Dr. Sparkles. (Or is that the Reverend Dr. Sparkles, who wishes he could become His Grace, the Rev. Dr. Sparkles, Duke of Sparkleshire.)

I ain't got the brains fer a doctership, and I ain't intendin' ter stay a Mr. all me live. :wink:
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Postby Robin Hood » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:26 pm

hmmmm, buying a title? what Baloney. :roll: buying your way into society, has finally come into complete fruitation. Good Grief. Imagin how much it would cost. You would have to be noblity to become nobility. :wink:
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Postby Formendacil » Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:04 am

Robin Hood wrote: Imagin how much it would cost. You would have to be noblity to become nobility. :wink:


Actually, I imagine that even a lot of them couldn't afford it (although most could). Nope, look for an influx of money-grubbing really rich people.

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Postby TheMightyTwoAxe » Tue Jul 13, 2004 8:38 pm

Jojo said:
It's fake. It's megabloks.

Best reference ever.
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Postby The Josh » Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:24 am

I'd rather spend my money on lego.


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Postby Sir Terrance » Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:47 am

It is a pathetic way for some person to make money.
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Postby kajo163 » Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:37 pm

It's the same story as when they sell research for someones "Ancient family crest", total bogus! Just a way to make money on dumb people who knows nothing about the nobility and how it works, it has to be granted by a reigning souvereign and so on.

Imagine what would happen if someone who bought himself a title showed up in say England and told the people there, "hi I'm your new duke!" They would laugh their brains out!

Then of course it would be fun to really be nobility, but pay for it, that's just wrong.
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Postby Dragon Master » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:31 pm

kajo163 wrote:It's the same story as when they sell research for someones "Ancient family crest", total bogus! Just a way to make money on dumb people who knows nothing about the nobility and how it works, it has to be granted by a reigning souvereign and so on.

Imagine what would happen if someone who bought himself a title showed up in say England and told the people there, "hi I'm your new duke!" They would laugh their brains out!

Then of course it would be fun to really be nobility, but pay for it, that's just wrong.


I disagree with the first part of the statement. I myself have invested hours in tracing back my family routes. Neither side was ever nobility, but I have found some info that a clan my ancestors belonged to were footsoldiers for a lord.

And there is also no such thing as a family crest. They were awarded to an individual, not a family.

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Postby Formendacil » Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:02 pm

I think that Kajo is referring to BOGUS operations, not to groups or such that actually intend to help you research your family history.

Interestingly enough, while both sides of my family seem to be mainly farmer/low-middle class, I have a genuine Coat of Arms from the one side, and apparent descent from a Russian prince (most likely illegitimately) from the other.
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Postby doctorsparkles » Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:25 pm

Dragon Master wrote:And there is also no such thing as a family crest. They were awarded to an individual, not a family.


It was always my understanding that heraldic symbols could identify either an individual or a family. Here's a passage from encylopedia.com that seems to support that.

system in which inherited symbols, or devices, called charges are displayed on a shield, or escutcheon, for the purpose of identifying individuals or families. In the Middle Ages the herald, often a tournament official, had to recognize men by their shields; thus he became an authority on personal and family insignia. As earlier functions of the herald grew obsolete, his chief duties became the devising, inscribing, and granting of armorial bearings. The use of personal and family insignia is ancient (it is mentioned by Homer), but heraldry proper is a feudal institution developed by noblemen using personal insignia on seals and shields that came to be transmitted to their families. It is thought to have originated in the late 12th cent., and to have been prevalent in Germany, France, Spain, and Italy, and imported into England by the Normans. The crusades and tournaments which drew together knights from many countries caused heraldry to flourish in Western Europe and the Muslim world. The practice of embroidering family emblems on the surcoat, or tabard, worn over chain mail in the 13th cent. accounts for the term “coat of arms.” The use of armorial bearings spread rapidly thereafter through all grades of feudal rank above squire. Private assumption of arms became so common that Henry V forbade it, and on the chartering of the Heralds' College in 1483 the regulations pertaining to heraldry were placed in the hands of the Garter King-of-Arms. Arms were borne by families, corporations, guilds, religious houses, inns of court, colleges, boroughs and cities, and kingdoms. In the United States the seals and insignia of colleges, cities, and the like are examples of the persistence of the heraldic tradition. For methods and conventions of displaying armorial bearings, see blazonry .
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