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Postby TwoTonic Knight » Fri May 26, 2006 7:07 am

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HenrytheV wrote:Whasn't that also why Switzerland was never conquered, because of their pikmen and stuff? And no, I'm not looking for the word "pocketknife". :wink:


There is a rumor they were supplied by renegade templars, and this is theory be came widely popular.

Anyway, mysteriously, the peasents of th swiss farmlands were armed with modern weapons. And were able to successfully defend their borders, becasue they didn't use cavalry, at all (besides scouting). And when the Austrian Prince sent his finest cavalry soldeirs to take over the revolting swiss lands, they swiss peasent infanrty (outnumbered 3 to 1 by cavalry soldiers) prevailed and defended.

This is yet again, and example of the foot soldier prevailing over over whelming odds.


I don't think there was anything mysterious about the Swiss having voulges at Mortgarten. It was a national weapon that they trained with. It it had been suddenly dumped on them by Templars, they wouldn't have been trained in its use.

The Swiss were able to defend their borders because it was difficult terrain for the most part. Plug the passes up and they were 90% of the way there.

At Mortgarten, the Swiss were outnumbered by the Austrians by 3 to 1, but only one third of that force was mounted knights. Inasmuch as the austrian foot fled when the Swiss ambushed the column in a narrow pass by rolling stones and logs downhill, it was more of an even fight (if you want to call getting the drop on the opponent, from uphill, on ground specifically bad for cavalry, with their formations disrupted before there was even any contact, an "even fight").

It was all brilliantly done by the standards of the age. It was also one of a handful of battles where infantry prevailed.
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Postby leshrac » Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:02 am

Personally I have bought only one KK2 set (castle of morcia), and was very dissapointed with it. The exclusion of foot soldiers from the current series is pretty lame brained. But we arn't exactly Lego's target demographic. I guess they figure if you put a bunch of bright colors together little kids will buy it. Personally, I'll just keep hording my Black Falcons until i die. :lol:
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Postby kelderic » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:50 pm

Going back to the original point, I agree with you. Lego sets are definately feeling the lack of nameless ordinary soldiers. I really don't think it has much to do with whether or not they ride horses though. You can have nameless cavelry soldiers, and most of the time, the Jellybeans aren't mounted. Lego's castle army has become topheavy, with to many leaders.

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Postby TheOrk » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:34 pm

kelderic wrote:Going back to the original point, I agree with you. Lego sets are definately feeling the lack of nameless ordinary soldiers. I really don't think it has much to do with whether or not they ride horses though. You can have nameless cavelry soldiers, and most of the time, the Jellybeans aren't mounted. Lego's castle army has become topheavy, with to many leaders.

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That's true but with a few parts swaps with enough of them and you'll end up with an army of exceptionally tough looking goons.

Also going back to the original point; a lone knight in plate armour was the battle tank of the middle ages. But the knights, being few in number, would start to lose their advantages against a trained force of soldiers, like say, the Roman Legions.

The knights were just the only true fighting force in the middle ages. Other ages were more reliant on large standing armies with better training and equipment then those of the middle ages.
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Postby g2 » Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:09 am

Slobey wrote:... is the fact that lego needs more generic footsoldiers rather than just 4 characters


Now this is a statement that I fully agree with. Very nicely worded. But the little history lesson was good too. I really got into it, and there has been an increase in the admiration to the humble foot soldier (trained or un-trained).

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Postby Legendary_Corsair » Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:36 pm

[quote="ragnarok"]Exactly!
Please ecxuse me but translating certain terms may be confusing sometimes. I mean common infantry (spearmen, archers, swordsmen).
I must point out that TwoTonic is not exactly right about knights winning against any even number of non-knights as shows the battle of Lake Lagoda where the Russian Great Prince Alexander Nevsky defeated the Teutonic Knights (no offence :D ) and both armies were almost even in numbers. You can watch a show about it on Discovery Civilisation, it's quite accurate.[/quote]



When you say "TwoTonic" Do you mean Teutonic knights or something different because that could change a lot of things.Teutonic Knights were superior to other kinds of men...killing anyone in their path.
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Postby Jojo » Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:42 pm

Hello!


Legendary_Corsair wrote:Teutonic Knights were superior to other kinds of men...

What's that supposed to mean?


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Postby Legendary_Corsair » Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:06 pm

[quote="Jojo"]Hello!


[quote="Legendary_Corsair"]Teutonic Knights were superior to other kinds of men...[/quote]
What's that supposed to mean?


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I just meant Teutonic Knights were a lot more trained and more skilled than just soldiers like spearmen and stuff like that.
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Postby Lawkeeper » Tue May 08, 2007 10:51 am

Luckily the new Castle sets include more common foot soldiers (both human and skeleton).
Any of you guys noticed they also use the horse-barding with the KK2-lion in the set with the skull tower? I really like that, because I'm building an order of Lion Knights :)
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Postby DNL » Tue May 08, 2007 3:14 pm

i'm sorry to disappoint you, but that was only a prototype.
look at this picture:

http://www.lugnet.com/castle/sets_2007/7093.jpg

this is the final product. offtopic, sorry.

are you also from holland? do you know: www.lowlug.nl?
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Postby Legendary_Corsair » Wed May 09, 2007 10:48 pm

Ooops...I didn't realize two tonic was somebody thats why I was confused what you guys where talking about Teutonic knights...My mistake...
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