Knights' Kingdom (2) is not Castle.

wlister · Post by **wlister** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:11 pm

The point I was trying to make is that TLC has progressively become worse over the last decade. If that trend continues, sets will get worse.

When these sets go on sale, I may buy them and the smaller sets will definitely end up seeing multiple copies. Not enough to build armies out of, but mostly for parts. Despite KKII's drawbacks, there are enough decent parts to warrant purchases at discount prices. I'll eventually get my armies from Bricklink though.

Even at 50% off I will likely never buy the Morcica castle or the Citadel set. Or the joust for that matter. Hmm perhaps you are right Mr. Squeezer of Lemons, these sets may never be worth it.

Will

Post by **Formendacil** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:48 am

lemon_squeezer2 wrote:I'm really sorry about this rant, but I am disappointed and perplexed at the stance TLC is taking. They are undoubtedly capable of producing good sets - those Sculpture sets, the Maserik Sealiner, and the new Ferrari line are witness to that. However, they continue to shovel garbage at us in other themes. I hope you see the point I am trying to make.

I don't think its all that perplexing. I think that TLC is trying to make both sets that are well-designed, and sets that are popular with kids.

Their problem is that they haven't yet hit on the brainwave (obvious to us, but obviously not at Billund) that the two can be combined.

Surely, kids wouldn't mind soldiers to go with their jellybean warriors (they like the Bionicle matoran, right?).

Surely kids are smart enough to build castles with more pieces (I mean, keep the crappy designs if you want, but don't use pre-molds)

Surely, kids....

but enough said. You get the point.

Post by **SavaTheAggie** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:04 am

David85 wrote:Kids like these sets and Lego is happy. The number one reson why parents buy these sets for their kids is because they see the "rainbow knights" and think they are Bionicle. They sell. I'm sure they would sell if the Castle was good too, but they are selling.

This is the worse Castle ever, not because of the premade parts and the colors, but look at it, it's like a pile of Legos on top of each other, it's so wrong.

Now I haven't bought or seen in person the new Castle of Morcia, but...

In my mind, anything is better than using a giant pirate sail as the back wall of your castle.

--Anthony

Dada · Post by **Dada** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:24 am

"In my mind, anything is better than using a giant pirate sail as the back wall of your castle."

You ridges allusion to the castle of KK1 ???

Precisely, I find that in spite of the use of much of very large briks, the castle of Morcia gives a certain impression which I like (not as much as other castles but more than that of KK1)

It is not made for the war (what however is said by lego) and is directly of inspiration of KK1 (even plate, the even shape of cone) but have remark nevertheless a more fantastic side.

And then the future tower of seat (if it really exists) is not badly with such a fantastic spirit him...

The difference between KK1 and KK2 is the fact that they passed of a pseudo-realism to complete fantastic. This is a good thing or a bad thing ???

David Girard · Post by **David Girard** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:10 pm

The KK2 line remind me of a television serie name Xcalibur. It's actually playing here in Quebec. It's made by computer and it's kind of mix of castle and knight with futuristic inspiration castles.

Maybe Xcalibur is playing in other country... Did someone know what I'm talking about ?

Anyway, when I compare KK2 to this TV serie I'm thinking that KK2 is not so bad.

I can't say I'll buy one of the set soon because of the prices. The prices of these sets in Canada are too much high for me. 129,99$can for Castle of Morcia(632 pieces) is too much. It's about 0,205$ per pieces. The Citadel of Orlan has a more reasonnable price. 69,99$can for 442 pieces. About 0,158$ per pieces. If I apply the same price per piece(0,158) to the Castle of Morcia, it should cost 100,07$. What explain this difference in price ? Is the raised baseplate costing 30$? I'd like to have an explanation.

And as Jojo, when I compare with Fright Knight, I change my mind about Fright Knight. I now think that they were good sets...

What disapointed me the most in KK2 is the lack of archer and mercenary.

At least TLC didn't forget their Castle fan. They did not created good castles as they did before, but at least they tried !

Sir Vincent · Post by **Sir Vincent** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:18 pm

SavaTheAggie wrote:
David85 wrote:Kids like these sets and Lego is happy. The number one reson why parents buy these sets for their kids is because they see the "rainbow knights" and think they are Bionicle. They sell. I'm sure they would sell if the Castle was good too, but they are selling.

This is the worse Castle ever, not because of the premade parts and the colors, but look at it, it's like a pile of Legos on top of each other, it's so wrong.
Now I haven't bought or seen in person the new Castle of Morcia, but...

In my mind, anything is better than using a giant pirate sail as the back wall of your castle.

--Anthony

Ah yes,King Leo's castle...

Post by **Formendacil** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:44 pm

SavaTheAggie wrote:Now I haven't bought or seen in person the new Castle of Morcia, but...

In my mind, anything is better than using a giant pirate sail as the back wall of your castle.

No no. It was an IMPERIAL sail.

Let's not forget all these juicy, essential little details that more than anything else make us AFOL/TFOLs different from KFOLs.

Jojo · Post by **Jojo** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:12 pm

Hello!

...seriously, it's not (pic = link):

Bye
Jojo

Duke_Dave · Post by **Duke_Dave** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:31 pm

Hey thats good Jojo!!! I really like it! now I'll have to go buy some castles of moronica for my space theme!

Dave

JPinoy · Post by **JPinoy** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:51 am

King Leo couldn't afford to build a ship nor afford to complete a wall, so he just ordered for the sail to be placed behind his throne. Eventually the first Knights Kingdom fell due to bankruptcy and got replaced by the 2nd Knights Kingdom.... which I foresee to also fall rather quickly.

Think of Vladek as someone trying to bring back the old order of the Lego Castle. He IS a knight in black armor, an allusion to the Black Knights.

Luís · Post by **Luís** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:36 am

David Girard wrote:The KK2 line remind me of a television serie name Xcalibur. It's actually playing here in Quebec. It's made by computer and it's kind of mix of castle and knight with futuristic inspiration castles.

Maybe Xcalibur is playing in other country... Did someone know what I'm talking about ?

Yes, is passing here in Portugal too.
It's kinda of dum. How does that stupid girly have that fony excalibur.

Lord Resta · Post by **Lord Resta** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:12 pm

Xcalibut is in Britain.

David Girard · Post by **David Girard** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:00 am

To Luis and Lord Resta:
But do you think that KK2 sets look like Xcalibur concept ?

To Jojo:
It make a nice addition to space helmet. The new KK2 helmets look like Stars War helmet. Like the one of Jango Fett in particular.

Lord Resta · Post by **Lord Resta** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:59 pm

Well, it's not much like Xcalibur. I see you're point.