CCC9 - Naughty List - updated 1-2-12

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Re: CCC9 - Naughty List - updated 12-15-11

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Sir Nelson wrote: I am wondering why ANY creation should be moved to the "Miscellaneous" category, particularly with the contest rule that "Submissions will be evaluated based on Creativity, Playability and Details." It would seem that entries that are moved by the Admins into this category would negate all of those entries that were built specifically for the Miscellaneous category, following said rule.

Moreover, seeing 41 entries (as of this post) in the Miscellaneous category (entered and/or moved) would seemingly make judging difficult if not possible, based on said criteria for evaluation.

Clarification on the 'moving' of entries and/or definition of 'key category requirements' per category, is requested. Thank you.
I'm not sure I understand your objection here, Nelson, and I disagree with a couple of your premises above. First the premises: "Built specifically for miscellaneous" seems a bit of an oxymoron. I'd rather suggest that people have ideas of what they want to build before the categories are announced, or perhaps have already built but not posted MOCs before the categories are announced. You can't specifically tailor a creation to fit the requirement of no requirements. Adding a small number of additional entries to a category in no way negates the entries already there. If this were true, the second entry submitted to any category would 'negate' the first entry. Yes, there are a large number of entries in misc, but the 5 shifted entries doesn't really impact this all that much (5 because Guy combined his 4 initial entries into 1). And really, judging a category with 41 entries isn't so difficult. After a near-decade of doing this contest, I think the process is pretty manageable.

As to the issue of moving entries at all, I think I answered this above in this thread. You've judged the big pirate contest over at the Cove. Suppose someone entered a fortress in a ship category. Even if it was a really awesome fortress, you would have to judge it very low on the criteria of being a ship. So it would be much better to move it into a category where it could do well or even win. I think it's much better to shift it than to leave it where it is and just automatically rank it last in the category. The one thing that we have never addressed is moving things from misc to other categories, and that might be a valid question, given that there are some entries that people submitted to misc but that might fit into other categories.

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Re: CCC9 - Naughty List - updated 12-28-11

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I can see some of your points, but yes we do disagree. It's akin to saying, 'Okay here is the Cooking contest and this Category is "Meat". But, your entry (a sausage) looks to be more filler than actual 'meat', so we are going to move it into the Miscellaneous category'... and there it is judged against non-meat dishes like donuts, lemons, a rutabaga, and milk. That doesn't seem that easy to judge... hence my asking if the 'key category requirements' per category could be clarified.
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Re: CCC9 - Naughty List - updated 12-30-11

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architect wrote:Images too large - please resize them so they are at most 800x600 (or 600x800)
ptLeskinen Red Dragon
Too many images - only three images allowed per entry
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Huh, hopefully now corrected and resubmitted.

First time is always a bit awkward... :)

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Re: CCC9 - Naughty List - updated 12-30-11

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Well, you guys can take me off the naughty list now...images resized and the entry resubmitted. :D
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My St. George's Day entry already went through, so why is it back on the Naughty List?
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Re: CCC9 - Naughty List - updated 12-30-11

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Hello!
My entries were updated.Please submite entries.
Fianat Lord of the North
Fianat Helm's Deep.-LOTR
OK?
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Sir Nelson wrote:I can see some of your points, but yes we do disagree. It's akin to saying, 'Okay here is the Cooking contest and this Category is "Meat". But, your entry (a sausage) looks to be more filler than actual 'meat', so we are going to move it into the Miscellaneous category'... and there it is judged against non-meat dishes like donuts, lemons, a rutabaga, and milk. That doesn't seem that easy to judge... hence my asking if the 'key category requirements' per category could be clarified.
To be clear, I've only moved things to misc for two reasons. I just moved a microscale MOC to misc, as Ben explicitly stated in the contest rules discussion thread that other categories should be minifig scale. The other entries that I moved were moving things out of the custom fig categories that weren't about custom figs. Either they were at vastly different scales than minifigs (i.e. Guy's large scale figures), or they were large scenes that happened to have a custom in there. If you built a full castle that covered ten baseplates and then stuck a custom fig on the balcony, I wouldn't call that a custom fig entry. Now there is a bit of a judgement call here, as often people place their custom fig against a background or something rather than just a fig with a white backdrop (see, for example, my avatar over there <- not that it's much of a 'custom', but I placed my sigfig with a bit of a background to give him some context). My criteria has been to say 'what would happen if the custom fig were replaced by a generic noncustom fig?' If the large scene would still be a serious MOC, I treated that as more of a scene. For instance, there was an entry that was a jousting tournament, but one of the knights essentially had a painted shield and so was a 'custom'. If you removed the customized element, it was still a good tournament entry, and I moved this to misc. OTOH, there's a custom monk entry sitting at a table in front of a wall. If you replaced the fig with some standard generic fig, you've basically got an entry that was just a table and a wall. That was considered a custom fig entry.
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I tried to submit a second entry to Hermit's Hovel but I don't see it listed. Could someone please let me know if there is a problem?
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edit: never mind, I see what's wrong.
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I've resized the two images that were too large, but since the contest is over I can't resubmit. The URL and link should still be valid, if not here is the first photo URL http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7170/6607 ... 22c8_s.jpg and the link http://www.flickr.com/photos/68605812@N ... 651175453/ Thank You
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Yay... I'm on the list.. Oops :sly:
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Hello,Bruce!
I have updated the images that were large.But since CCC IV is over I couldnot resubmit.
And this is new links of folders.

Fianat (Igor Fedin) Helm's Deep.-LOTR
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=492843

Fianat (Igor Fedin) Lord of the North
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I see I'm on the naughty list for having too many pictures. If it's not too late, here are the new links to the image and gallery:

image- http://www.flickr.com/photos/jovian_dreams/6610074999/

gallery- http://www.flickr.com/photos/jovian_dre ... 666724839/

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Brickshelf Gallery now public.
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