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So... The BF are pagan, since they do have a Warlock and attack Hospitallers?
So... The BF are pagan, since they do have a Warlock and attack Hospitallers?
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Besides this it has no meaning of paganism when Christian knights fight against other Christian knights. On the 4th Crusade the crusaders even conquered and sacked the Christian Constantinople rather than Jerusalem. Which in fact is a sign for the crusades to be not all that holy and Christian. Actually they were just another crime of murder and barbarism.
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No, they are not. They are the knights who fight in the sign of the evangelist John, as the eagle is the symbol of John. (I'm supposed to know it because my name is John, too (Johannes in German).)The Hordesman wrote:So... The BF are pagan, since they do have a Warlock and attack Hospitallers? :wink:
Besides this it has no meaning of paganism when Christian knights fight against other Christian knights. On the 4th Crusade the crusaders even conquered and sacked the Christian Constantinople rather than Jerusalem. Which in fact is a sign for the crusades to be not all that holy and Christian. Actually they were just another crime of murder and barbarism.
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This is just the sort of nonsense up with which I will not put.
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Ive heard about crusaders attacking the ortodox church, since it was the enemy of the pope and was thought to be "heretics" by Rome at the time, but the Warlock leaves some question marks.
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It was more a matter of certain rich (and wanting to get richer) Crusaders getting lazy and eyeing the ripe pluckings of Constantinople than any theological difference in this particular situation. Oh, there were theological differences, right enough, and those were certainly used as justification, but the main reason had to do with greed. And the marching orders to attack came from the "on-site" leaders of the Crusade, not from back in Europe, in Rome or anywhere else.The Hordesman wrote:Ive heard about crusaders attacking the ortodox church, since it was the enemy of the pope and was thought to be "heretics" by Rome at the time, but the Warlock leaves some question marks.
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Greed is something involved in every war, but good point. nNow, I dont think we should go more half off-topic anymore... *Ahem*.
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Sometimes it can be hard for cultures to get rid of their old pagan ways.but the Warlock leaves some question marks.
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Well, I dont really find it related to this forum since the first post simple makes no sense alone... And its practically over now... Oh well.
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Well, since the thread has been split off, I might as well take the opportunity to ask a little bit about the BF eagle heraldry... I always thought it was pretty unique and very cool, but I never guessed it was an exact replica of an existing heraldry (although I was sure that the eagle was used in many different forms during those times).They are the knights who fight in the sign of the evangelist John, as the eagle is the symbol of John. (I'm supposed to know it because my name is John, too (Johannes in German).)
I wonder if anyone has more info or links about the Evangelist John? It'd be cool to see a little more about where the BF sign comes from.
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Exact replica....ottoatm wrote:Well, since the thread has been split off, I might as well take the opportunity to ask a little bit about the BF eagle heraldry... I always thought it was pretty unique and very cool, but I never guessed it was an exact replica of an existing heraldry (although I was sure that the eagle was used in many different forms during those times).
I wonder if anyone has more info or links about the Evangelist John? It'd be cool to see a little more about where the BF sign comes from.
Umm, no.
I think that Jojo was just suggesting that there was an easy way to make a Christian connection to the Black Falcon heraldry if one so desired, in rebuttal to the Hordesman's comments.
It would be much the same as saying that the Royal Knights, King's Men, or KK1 have the emblem of the "Lion of Judah".
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There are, however, differences that matter, they are characterised here: http://www.classic-castle.com/howto/art ... aldry.html
So for example the Eagle is the coat of arms of many families, many countries, many cities. It's the crest of Germany but as well the crest of my hometown.
The coat of arms of Kaiser Heinrich (13th century)
The coat of arms of the German Kaiser Wilhelm (19th/20th century)
The coat of arms of the German President (today)
The coat of arms of my hometown Dortmund.
All different eagles but all basically the same.
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Well, the exact shape of an eagle or of any else animal or thing in heraldry doesn't matter too much. If the coat of arms of a family is "Eagle displayed" then all that mattered was that the eagle on the shield was displayed, not the exact shape of every single feather and such.ottoatm wrote:Well, since the thread has been split off, I might as well take the opportunity to ask a little bit about the BF eagle heraldry... I always thought it was pretty unique and very cool, but I never guessed it was an exact replica of an existing heraldry (although I was sure that the eagle was used in many different forms during those times).
There are, however, differences that matter, they are characterised here: http://www.classic-castle.com/howto/art ... aldry.html
So for example the Eagle is the coat of arms of many families, many countries, many cities. It's the crest of Germany but as well the crest of my hometown.
The coat of arms of Kaiser Heinrich (13th century)
The coat of arms of the German Kaiser Wilhelm (19th/20th century)
The coat of arms of the German President (today)
The coat of arms of my hometown Dortmund.
All different eagles but all basically the same.
Of course the BF sign wasn't designed after the coat of arms of John. But you could see it like that :-)I wonder if anyone has more info or links about the Evangelist John? It'd be cool to see a little more about where the BF sign comes from.
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This is just the sort of nonsense up with which I will not put.
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Many thanks for the cool post Jojo - I was hoping for something pseudo - educational like that. Love the images too.
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