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A chance-for-bragging thread and I'm not in it? How's that possible?
Blueandwhite wrote:A quick question. Are all of the elements discussed really rare, or is it that some of them are simply in high demand? Afterall, the pitchfork was available in several sets. Heck, I've got four of them (one broken). I know that this item is popular, but I am skeptical when it comes to the actual rarity of that brick.
You have got a point here. And I second your doubt. The perception of rareness seems to be a bit of a personal matter.

I for example got two sets Maiden's Cart 6023 for my birthday in 1986, so I never thought the white maiden hat was that rare - because I had two of them, and that was one more than I had of the red maiden hats than.

Also there are different perceptions of what items are rare depending on the regions people live in. The infamous grey chest for example only came in a set (Black Knight's Treasure 6011) that wasn't broughtly available in the US. Naturally that leads to this chest to be rare in America. In Europe, though (well, I can only speak for Germany), this set was sold everywhere, so it is not that big a problem to find grey chests on flea markets and the like. I bet, most people my age who got this set when they were children wouldn't even consider this grey chest to be a rare item because it feels natural for them to own one. Or even more than one, because such small sets like this you often get multiples of for birthdays from several relatives...

In reverse there are sets that weren't available in Europe, such like Forestmen's Crossing 6071, containing the Maid Marian with the green hat rag. So in Europe certainly this figure and the river baseplate are rare items.

As for rarity in general: There certainly are some pieces that come in very few or maybe just one set. However, an unique piece that comes in a $4-Set is probably less rare than an unique piece that comes in a $60-set, because the smaller sets are produced in bigger quantities and purchased more often.

And age is a factor. Time kills LEGO. An example again: Actually the visors from the yellow castle era cannot be rare. The Castle 375 and the Tournament 383 were sold many many times. And these visors even came in dublicates in these sets, at least in the Castle, I don't know if this applies for the Tournament as well, but most likely it does. Yet those visors are considererd rare now. Probably because the total number of existing visors has reduced through the years. Many are lost in vacuum cleaners, many have gotten destroyed, deliberately or unintendedly. There are several yellow Castles on eBay every day but only the lesser portion of them comes with all four visors (intact). So many people just need one or more visors to complete their Castle sets. Others just want some of these visiors for their pleasure of owning them and equipping a knight. So there is a constant demand on these pieces, one gets the impression they are rare, and the prices stay high. And of course, who didn't live when such pieces were available on retail must think they are rare, simply because they don't own any.

blueandwhite wrote:I suppose the real question is whether we are talking about rare released or rare unreleased bricks, as there is a significant difference. Parts like the black beard, green goblet and green bandana should probably be treated differently than rare parts which are simply hard to find.
Agreed again. Of course such items are somewhat "rare", because you never get a chance of obtaining any by purchasing any sets, as many as you may buy. But these peculiarly coloured pieces are rather "special" than "rare". As long as you happen to know they exist you simply step into bricklink and buy them. They ain't even that expensive. It's funny that specially coloured elements that never existed in any sets are less expensive than widely known rare and sought-after pieces like black 2x2 windows from the grey 12V Train era or some of the Castle pieces mentioned within this thread. And I'm glad they are, because I buy stuff like this for its usefulness and not because it's rare and precious.


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Ponies, as in foals? The smaller horses that appeared in a couple of the Paradisa sets?

I always wanted one of them! :cry:
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And hello again!


I didn't want to let my previous post become overly long, so I write a second one.
CAI wrote:The idea is for all members to post information on their rare items including where and how they were found/purchased/acquired. If your not sure, try a little detective work.
Well, most of the items that are considered rare «« Link, like black swords and grey chests, I got in the most unspectacular way imaginable: Bought the sets, got the pieces.

For most of the specially coloured items I have applies the same: Made a BrickLink order, got the pieces. My green noseprotector helmet «« Link, however, was a gift from a fellow LEGO friend.

Other than that there are some occasions on which I was able to get items that I (I, myself and me) consider rare:

First was the red ghost shroud «« Link. I got it on a flea market in Berlin, which is kind of important for the explanation where this piece sprung from. We were a group of five AFOLs and were roaming the flea market sniffling for LEGO, of course. Then there was this stand with the usual flea market stuff and two bags filled with LEGO amongst that. Just regular bricks and pieces, nothing too exciting, except there was one red ghost shroud visible. Back than in the year 2000 AFOLs still didn't know every piece, didn't be aware of everything rare and precious. So we wondered which set this red ghost shroud might belong to but didn't expect to get something realy special. However, we bought this bag. And while we were at it, I bought the second bag, too.
At home we sorted the loot we got from this field trip, and voilá! there were three more red ghost shrouds in the one bag, and two of them in the second one I bought. We parted brotherly, each of us got one. Except for me, I had two ( :-) ). However, one of the four seemed to be damaged at the nether rim, so I traded one of mine for that. You can see it in the picture, the right one has a triangled gap at the lower egde. It doesn't, however, look as if it was cut out but rather as if the material was never sprayed in. And that's the second hint, besided the location"Berlin", for the explanation. - Later on we learned that in Berlin there was a factory that produced molds for LEGO. So these red ghosts most likely were made for testing purposes before the regular glow-in-the-dark ghosts got into production in 1989/1990.
So that's the story of the red ghost.

Secondly I was able to snatch an almost complete set 383 Knight's Tournament with its box on eBay. Sounds uneventful if you have got the money but it wasn't like that.
Once I wasn't home a whole day. When I got home deep at night and turned on my computer to take a quick look at eBay, I was blessed with lots and lots of untouched auctions that all were several hours old. (I later learned that eBay's servers had been down that day, harhar!). So I was looking through several pages of auctions with some interesting stuff, but I bought nothing because I didn't need anything. Except for one auction that caught my interest. Its title was something like "LEGO old knights' tournament, have a look, it's worthwhile", for Buy-it-now DM 30 (about $13 than). I clicked on that auction in an instant, took a look at the price, at the shipping cost and at the pic: Yeah, the major part of 383 Knight's Tournament with its instructions and its box, missing one shield but with two of each visors, plus most of the parts of 677 Knight's Procession with its instructions. Instantly I pressed the Buy-it-now button. Yes, I found that worthwhile.
After I had recieved the item I was able to trade with other AFOLs for the missing parts, and I got a complete set 383 and a complete set 677.

The third story I wanna tell is that of a MISB Castle 375 «« Link, that I was able to get for a less than average price. The last one I have seen on eBay was about $800, but since I have one I don't follow such auctions anymore. Anyway, back in the year 2002 the owner of 1000steine.de tried to establish an own auction system for LEGO auctions, in order to break eBay's quasi monopoly. Now, that attempt failed, there was hardly anything on that 1000steine-auctions, so I almost never bothered looking at it. Except for one time when I didn't have to do anything else. And that was when I discovered an auction there that was about a never opened box "yellow Castle 375", starting bid €250. That's a lot of money for a poor student, but it's a lot of lesser money than MISB yellow Castles go for usually. So I took a deep breath and typed in €250, and I noted the end time on a slip of paper because I really didn't want to miss this item. So, several days later, shortly before the time when the auction was supposed to end I took another look at it and there was another bid. The current bid was €251. I waited a couple of minutes and typed in my final bid of €500. The auction ended at €294. Yay. I hadn't expected that after a second guy had discovered the auction. At first I had hoped nobody else would find it, because I thought I would never be able to stand a chance against anybody else who was interested in such an item.
I think this was the only occasion that a friend of mine who's specialised in collecting MISB sets was jealous of me. :-) Not that I would ever savour that....

Again a long post. So I'll cease it.


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Wow, Jojo, quite a lot of information there. I always wondered where you got your two red ghosts. I totally agree with you and BlueandWhite regarding rareity of pieces. It is really hard to define.
Anubisconq wrote:Can you post a picture of the ponies? They don't sound familiar. What year did they come out?
RichardAM wrote:Ponies, as in foals? The smaller horses that appeared in a couple of the Paradisa sets?
This is the one that I have:
http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/30032

It came in two sets in 1996.

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Interesting story on the red ghost Jojo.

Lot's of info, good stuff so far. I think I should have stated myself a little better though. Josh and Jojo have the idea I had in mind.

Make sure it is your very own rarities and post with pictures, and we know so much about the regular rarities already(like black swords and pitch forks) that info on the black beards, green goblets and red ghosts..and so on is what should most be documented, since they haven't appeared in any sets.

Super rare Museum! :D

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Hey guys,

Check this out, expensive, but rare enough to warrant, they are authenitc:
http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=gr ... ID=5813039

I asked him about it:

Greetings,

I noticed you have A bunch of "Green Helmet with Neck Protector "

I was wondering if these are authentic or painted. Never seen them in sets before. And you seem to be the only one who has them.

Thanks in advance for any information you can share on these.

Regards,
Chad
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These helms are authentic. Green as grass... :-)
Years ago one of the Legoland parks had a bunch made for a project I build.
The helms at BL are leftovers I found last summer. About 23 years old,
but mint and still shiny.
Quite rare indeed.

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Interesting... pretty expensive for a part I rather have in grey or black, but I bought one just for the novelty of it. Thanks for the info.
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I consider any old piece that only came in one set to be rare. These pieces break and become lost over time.

Castle elements only found in one set include the:

Yellow Castle flag - multiple versions (set 375/6075)
Knight's Tournament flags - printed and sticker versions (set 383/6083)
brown cape (set 6040)
light grey treasure chest (set 6011)
white maidens cap (set 6023)
black sword and red 2x2 lion flag (both set 6041)
river baseplate, green wrap rag (bandana) and green maiden torso (set 6071)
blue maiden torso and black animal bird (6081)
large yellow black knights flag (set 6086)
royal knights large flag, royal knights large cloth flag, royal knights barding (set 6090)
fright knights large cloth flag (set 6097),
chrome silver dragon masters helmet (set 4818)
chrome silver bull's shield (set 4819)
knights kingdom I cloth flag and cloth banner (set 6091/6098)
bulls cloth flag (set 6096)

I haven't made a list of one set pieces from the last couple of years as they are still easy to find. Of course there are many figures that are rare also. Just because a figure is rare, like the prince from set 383, does not mean it has a high market value. The same can be said for some elements as well.

Some pieces found in multiple sets but still demand a premium:

All shields before 1984

Pitchfork (6040, 6103, 1680, 1877, 1974)
Old dark grey round shield (6030, 6021, 6010, 6022, 6061, 6103, 6039, 1680, 1877)
white one clip saddle (6021, 6080)
black plume (6035, 6066, 6073, 1974)
red black monarch's barding (6085, 6086)
blue black monarch's barding(6085, 1584/6060, 6086)
red lion barding (1584/6060, 6039, 6081)

I am probably missing a few items but these lists are a good start.

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I have a pitchfork, a large yellow black knights flag (set 6086), and two turquoise katanas.
But that's about it.
But I'd like to buy foals, if anyone has any. (Like Josh)
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Here's another cool part that doesn't seem to come in any set: http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=an ... ID=5861992

Anybody seen one before?
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I think Recluce is going to cast foals in resin,you can wait a while and get one from her :D
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architect wrote:I consider any old piece that only came in one set to be rare. These pieces break and become lost over time.
I think this is a pretty reasonable way of judging the rarity of elements. Of course, the actual rarity of the aforementioned bricks will also depend on the number of sets LEGO actually produced, as well as the durability of the bricks in question.

For example, the lion flag from 6041 is undoubtedly rarer than the black sword from the same set, simply because the element is so fragile. Finding one with its clips in tact can be a real hassle.
Some pieces found in multiple sets but still demand a premium:

All shields before 1984

Pitchfork (6040, 6103, 1680, 1877, 1974)
Old dark grey round shield (6030, 6021, 6010, 6022, 6061, 6103, 6039, 1680, 1877)
white one clip saddle (6021, 6080)
black plume (6035, 6066, 6073, 1974)
red black monarch's barding (6085, 6086)
blue black monarch's barding(6085, 1584/6060, 6086)
red lion barding (1584/6060, 6039, 6081)

I am probably missing a few items but these lists are a good start.

Ben
Yes, demand seems to play heavily into things. Still, some of those items are also rare, simply because they were so fragile or easy to lose. I'm sure many black plumes have fallen prey to many a vacuum, and saddles with a single clip are notoriously fragile. These elements are anything but common.

And lets not forget that many of these elements are more useful than their 'rare' counterparts. A pitchfork is probably more useful for MOCing than a black sword and bardings are certainly a hit with the army building crowd. At the end of the day, many of the items on your second list can be just as expensive to obtain as some of the more elusive elements.


Of course, the one thing I notice is that all of these rare bricks are in some way tied to minifigs. Still, there are a number of hard to find bricks not associated with minifigs which fetch a premium and are of great use to castle builders. For example, Image this slope in light grey was only available in one set (Rock Island Refuge). Its still quite hard to find, and fetches quite a premium on bricklink, yet most fans overlook it completely. I guess that only makes sense, as the castle theme is very minifig-driven. Still, other rare bricks need some love.

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Blueandwhite wrote:Of course, the one thing I notice is that all of these rare bricks are in some way tied to minifigs. Still, there are a number of hard to find bricks not associated with minifigs which fetch a premium and are of great use to castle builders. For example, Image this slope in light grey was only available in one set (Rock Island Refuge). Its still quite hard to find, and fetches quite a premium on bricklink, yet most fans overlook it completely. I guess that only makes sense, as the castle theme is very minifig-driven. Still, other rare bricks need some love.
Great discussion, guys. The slope you bring attention to up above is probably the "rarest" castle-related "brick" (i.e. not a decorative accessory). You won't likely find a Antenna 5H with side spokes in a castle MOC! :lol:
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Well, this is the extent of my "rare" castle items.

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1691864

Some of you may remember I got my first black sword for about $.25. I got the rest for about $3, as well as the green helmets from this Bricklink store.

I included the castle figs I have which I consider "rare" as well, they may not seem so to you but they are to me! :wink:

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I've got a few pitchforks, grey chests, round shields, and the like.

I also have some rare books. Here are all of the varieties of books that I owned at the time the picture was taken.

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=947515

The pink cupcake book is somewhat rare, as is the plain yellow. I found both on bricklink.

The (plain blue and)* plain black books were never available in sets. They are simply unpainted copies of the "evil" and "quidditch" books that were sold off in pick a brick after the sets containing the printed parts went out of production.


I also have a brown bow and quiver that is a darker brown than all of my other brown bows and quivers. Maybe I'll take a picture someday.


*EDIT - Plain blue was in a fairy tale set 5 or 6 years ago.
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