Where did dragons come from?
Re: Where did dragons come from?
Think about dinosaurs and all the things we know about them - even though they haven't existed for 65 000 000 years. Then consider how unlikely it is that something like a dragon did exist only a few thousand years ago, and left NOTHING behind, and add to that the fact that the mythical dragon is by definition an impossible creature.
Fact: There is no proof that dragons have existed. None. Zero. The only thing dragons have going for them, is that it is impossible to prove that they did not exist. This is also true for ghosts, yetis, sea monsters, vampires, werewolves, pink elephants with purple spots, nuclear dolphins, waffle-powered flying saucers and the superrace of mutant ninja rats that secretly rule the earth from their office in Tokyo.
Fact: There is no proof that dragons have existed. None. Zero. The only thing dragons have going for them, is that it is impossible to prove that they did not exist. This is also true for ghosts, yetis, sea monsters, vampires, werewolves, pink elephants with purple spots, nuclear dolphins, waffle-powered flying saucers and the superrace of mutant ninja rats that secretly rule the earth from their office in Tokyo.
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wobnam]Flickr[/url] - [url=http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?m=wobnam]BrickShelf[/url]
- Ye Olde Republic
- Marquis of Brique
- Posts: 1041
- Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2003 1:50 am
- Location: Calgary Alberta Canada
- Contact:
Re: Where did dragons come from?
Oooooh, this is starting to sound like a theological discussion. IYKWIM.
Trevor
Trust me, I think I'm funnier than you do.
Why do I have to add the word "minifig" to my spell checker every time I use it?!
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/old_republic/]flickr[/url]
[url=http://angrylegonerd.blogspot.com/]My blog[/url]
Trust me, I think I'm funnier than you do.
Why do I have to add the word "minifig" to my spell checker every time I use it?!
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/old_republic/]flickr[/url]
[url=http://angrylegonerd.blogspot.com/]My blog[/url]
Re: Where did dragons come from?
IKWYM, but the parallel theological discussion wouldn't be about creatures that are supposed to have actually walked the earth, so there's no reason to go there.
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wobnam]Flickr[/url] - [url=http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?m=wobnam]BrickShelf[/url]
- Robin Hood
- Knight Templar
- Posts: 2070
- Joined: Thu May 13, 2004 2:35 am
- Location: An empty room.....somewhere.
- Contact:
Blue does make a good point though about the giant squid. The stuff of myths and legend, and yet, just very, very recently, solid proof of their existance. This isn't to necessarily say that we will be finding live dragons hiding somewhere, but the fact that such a large creature as the giant squid has only just been found certainally means there are still many things yet to be discovered.
Sea Serpent anyone?
Dan
Sea Serpent anyone?
Dan
I build, therefore I am.
Brave words coming from a guy called grapenuts.
Brave words coming from a guy called grapenuts.
- Bluesecrets
- High Priestess of the Vermillion Order
- Posts: 2185
- Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:21 pm
- Location: On the girls side of the castle.
- Contact:
Re: Where did dragons come from?
The Okapi was also only a legend for a long time. Such a shy and quiet beautiful animal, but they exist too. I want to think there are more examples, but I don't know how good of examples they are. I mean a dragon has some pretty wild characteristics.
- Sir Zeppelin
- Foot Soldier
- Posts: 216
- Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:17 am
- Location: On the battlefiels, performing my duties as a foot soldier.
- Contact:
Re: Where did dragons come from?
Perhaps one reason records and stories of dragons have survived into modern times is the "big fish theory".
Caveman #1 to caveman #2
"Me see big bird. Had six foot wingspan."
"Wow," says caveman #2.
Caveman #2 to caveman #3
"Me see big bird. It had a ten foot wingspan and claws sharper than my spear."
Caveman #4 is sitting by the fire when he gets the news. Soon, caveman #5 shows up.
"Me see big bird with 15 foot wingspan. It had claws sharper than the sharpest of spears, and it screetched so loud, the mountians moved (caveman explination for a landslide)". Caveman #4 stares at the fire a little more.
"It breathed fire!" said caveman #4.
"Wow!" said caveman #5. "Me go to cave. Me make painting of this beast."
By the time the news reaches caveman #15, the beast has a 30 foot wingspan, is the size of a house, has razor sharp talons, breathes fire, and has mandibles of fury. What I'm saying is that a huge, giant bird may have existed sometime around or before the middle ages, and the story got exaggerated and became what we know as the dragon. I don't know if I'm right (probably not), but it is a thought to consider.
Caveman #1 to caveman #2
"Me see big bird. Had six foot wingspan."
"Wow," says caveman #2.
Caveman #2 to caveman #3
"Me see big bird. It had a ten foot wingspan and claws sharper than my spear."
Caveman #4 is sitting by the fire when he gets the news. Soon, caveman #5 shows up.
"Me see big bird with 15 foot wingspan. It had claws sharper than the sharpest of spears, and it screetched so loud, the mountians moved (caveman explination for a landslide)". Caveman #4 stares at the fire a little more.
"It breathed fire!" said caveman #4.
"Wow!" said caveman #5. "Me go to cave. Me make painting of this beast."
By the time the news reaches caveman #15, the beast has a 30 foot wingspan, is the size of a house, has razor sharp talons, breathes fire, and has mandibles of fury. What I'm saying is that a huge, giant bird may have existed sometime around or before the middle ages, and the story got exaggerated and became what we know as the dragon. I don't know if I'm right (probably not), but it is a thought to consider.
Here comes the orator! With his flood of words,
And his drop of reason.
- Ben Franklin
[url=http://legotales.webs.com]LEGO Tales[/url] [url=http://castlelandgroupstories.webs.com]Castleland Group Stories[/url]
[url=http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi/]My Brickshelf[/url]
Enjoy writing LEGO castle stories? Check out [url=http://s13.invisionfree.com/Castle_World/]Castle World[/url]
And his drop of reason.
- Ben Franklin
[url=http://legotales.webs.com]LEGO Tales[/url] [url=http://castlelandgroupstories.webs.com]Castleland Group Stories[/url]
[url=http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi/]My Brickshelf[/url]
Enjoy writing LEGO castle stories? Check out [url=http://s13.invisionfree.com/Castle_World/]Castle World[/url]
- Blue Moon Knight
- Archer
- Posts: 393
- Joined: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:12 pm
- Location: I'm over here now!
Re: Where did dragons come from?
I'm not sure which is more difficult to believe in: a giant, flying, fire breathing reptile or a prehistoric homo-sapien who, though he only speaks English in broken sentences, has the ability to estimate a bird's wingspan.
To those who are about to Lego: toss me a few bricks.
Re: Where did dragons come from?
ok.. So if the flying, bat wing fire breathing dragons did just happen to exist.. are they actually related to the Asian dragons? The Asian ones don't breath fire or even have wings.. and they can fly.
[Although I'll go with the Terry Pratchett Discworld novel explanation.. Dragons only exist if you believe in them]
[Although I'll go with the Terry Pratchett Discworld novel explanation.. Dragons only exist if you believe in them]
Re: Where did dragons come from?
I just realized something that has made me a believer. Isn't it obvious? Asian dragons did exist. If you look at one of them, you can easily see how much it resembles a caterpillar. Asian dragons were dragons in larval form! Caterpillars can't fly - but they often fall off leaves, which gives the illusion of flight - this explains why people thought the asian dragon could fly.
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wobnam]Flickr[/url] - [url=http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?m=wobnam]BrickShelf[/url]
- Bluesecrets
- High Priestess of the Vermillion Order
- Posts: 2185
- Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:21 pm
- Location: On the girls side of the castle.
- Contact:
Re: Where did dragons come from?
Oh really now?I just realized something that has made me a believer. Isn't it obvious? Asian dragons did exist. If you look at one of them, you can easily see how much it resembles a caterpillar. Asian dragons were dragons in larval form! Caterpillars can't fly - but they often fall off leaves, which gives the illusion of flight - this explains why people thought the asian dragon could fly.
I'm not so sure I can buy into that one. Caterpillars are quite small. A baby butterfly, an animal that small birds eat are dragons? I can't even pretend that I've even studied Asian dragons, so sure, I'll consider your theory. But..but..they are so tiny...why would anyone ever go to fight one when you can just step on it and squish it?
- Ye Olde Republic
- Marquis of Brique
- Posts: 1041
- Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2003 1:50 am
- Location: Calgary Alberta Canada
- Contact:
Re: Where did dragons come from?
Sure. And there really was a sword jammed into an anvil that only one man could possibly pull from said anvil. Oh, yeah and that one man just happened to be someone that the people would simply accept as their king because he could perform such an act.
Trevor
Trust me, I think I'm funnier than you do.
Why do I have to add the word "minifig" to my spell checker every time I use it?!
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/old_republic/]flickr[/url]
[url=http://angrylegonerd.blogspot.com/]My blog[/url]
Trust me, I think I'm funnier than you do.
Why do I have to add the word "minifig" to my spell checker every time I use it?!
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/old_republic/]flickr[/url]
[url=http://angrylegonerd.blogspot.com/]My blog[/url]
Re: Where did dragons come from?
They eat crops, which is why the humans fought them. They were a lot bigger back then, you can easily understand this if you compare a butterfly to a dragon. I'm guessing the use of pesticide is what have caused them to evolve into something so small, as smaller creatures are a lot harder to hit with spray.Bluesecrets wrote:why would anyone ever go to fight one when you can just step on it and squish it?
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wobnam]Flickr[/url] - [url=http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?m=wobnam]BrickShelf[/url]
- Bluesecrets
- High Priestess of the Vermillion Order
- Posts: 2185
- Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:21 pm
- Location: On the girls side of the castle.
- Contact:
Re: Where did dragons come from?
A lot bigger? Were leaves that much bigger so that they could eat enough to survive?They eat crops, which is why the humans fought them. They were a lot bigger back then, you can easily understand this if you compare a butterfly to a dragon. I'm guessing the use of pesticide is what have caused them to evolve into something so small, as smaller creatures are a lot harder to hit with spray.
I keep thinking if this was true, then the Wooly Bears
that people use to predict weather with, well if he's a dragon...then some people are still believing that they have the power to decide about winter, which IS a folk tale, or an old wives tale. So...that could in fact prove the existence of dragons...or maybe not. I think I'm now lost in the confusion of this discussion.
- plums_deify
- Knight Templar
- Posts: 834
- Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:04 am
Re: Where did dragons come from?
While I'll be the first to admit that logic flew out of this thread ages ago, Wobbie...seriously. Your argument is based on a fuzzy-wuzzy caterpillar?
HA!
No. No seriously. While caterpillars might be larvae of other mythological creatures, dragons are most certainly not one of them. (Caterpillars, in my experience, grow up to be nothing more than fuzzy-wuzzy chimeras. Dun wanna piss off one of them for sure.) Your typical westernized Dragon, of course, evolved to adapt to certain terrain, flights, etc. Often, some of them were land-locked, so flying was a highly convenient way of getting from point A to point B. Wings are useful in getting over the Alps, to be sure.
The dragons in the eastern countries (mainland China notwithstanding) certainly had a great deal more water to contend with. Their shape appeals to that. Besides...different aesthetic qualities to each species. Their magic being strong enough to help dictate that, they simply look different. That's okay.
And what self-respecting dragon wants to be confused with it's cousins?
HA!
No. No seriously. While caterpillars might be larvae of other mythological creatures, dragons are most certainly not one of them. (Caterpillars, in my experience, grow up to be nothing more than fuzzy-wuzzy chimeras. Dun wanna piss off one of them for sure.) Your typical westernized Dragon, of course, evolved to adapt to certain terrain, flights, etc. Often, some of them were land-locked, so flying was a highly convenient way of getting from point A to point B. Wings are useful in getting over the Alps, to be sure.
The dragons in the eastern countries (mainland China notwithstanding) certainly had a great deal more water to contend with. Their shape appeals to that. Besides...different aesthetic qualities to each species. Their magic being strong enough to help dictate that, they simply look different. That's okay.
And what self-respecting dragon wants to be confused with it's cousins?
Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Be Smart. Be evil.
Sister Brick @ [url=http://www.brothers-brick.com]The Brothers Brick[/url]!
Sister Brick @ [url=http://www.brothers-brick.com]The Brothers Brick[/url]!
Re: Where did dragons come from?
Are you basing the rest of your post on your experience as well?plums_deify wrote:Caterpillars, in my experience, grow up to be nothing more than fuzzy-wuzzy chimeras.
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wobnam]Flickr[/url] - [url=http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?m=wobnam]BrickShelf[/url]