Who Would Win the Lego Castle War?

Emperor James · Post by **Emperor James** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:48 am

Lord Felix wrote:I still don't understand why you guys think BK will win. They are outnumbered 1/5 at LEAST to Crusaders.

sure they win the "cool" award; but we are talking about military strength; not "coolness."

PS: Sorry if my text is big; I'm on a really badly resolutioned computer right now.

they have the 2 best castles and the best heavy cavalry. also the best diversity of weapons. also they are nowhere near that outnumbered.

Correct. Because it's "Mithril."

But more on point, there's also no such thing as black skeletons (or animated skeletons at all, for that matter), wizards, or dragons.

exactly. so the factions relying on them lose.

Kev · Post by **Kev** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:36 am

Well, my point was that if the topic is "who would win a lego faction war," then you actually *do* get to count things like black (charred in some bizarre alchemical ritual?) skeletons, wizards, and Dragons, since, after all, they *are* actually there, but you *don't* get to count things like "since this armor silver its mythril (because) its silver and therefore inpenetrable, while that armor is made out of clay (because) its dark grey therefore its worthless."

I mean, as far as that line of reasoning goes in our little fantasyworld that is.

Jojo · Post by **Jojo** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:43 am

Hello!

Emperor James wrote:they have the 2 best castles and the best heavy cavalry. also the best diversity of weapons. also they are nowhere near that outnumbered.

So, who wins the Lego Castle war depends on the kind of war. The Black Knights would have good chances to win an open battle, for they have heavy cavalry and an reasonable amount of soldiers.
Also, if it comes to siege, they would be able to hold their castles quite well, because their structures are strong.

On the other side, the Lion Knights (aka Crusaders) would also have good chances to win an open battle, because they have lots of soldiers, also quite a cavalry, and moreover, they have a ballista and a movable catapult. Also they would have a good chance to take the Black Knights’ castles, because they (the Lions) have aforementioned catapult, a battering ram and a siege tower. The Black Knights don't possess much of such equipment, so they are hardly able to take other factions’ castles, unless they use mean tricks.

(regarding magic) exactly. so the factions relying on them lose.

Good point. :-)
Anyway. Given, in the Lego Castle world such magic exists, so the both of the afore discussed factions would have a tough time defending against ferocious dragons as the Dragon masters and Fright Knights have them. On the other hand such dragons are hardly to control, even vor magicians. They usually just care for treasures and not for men, so having a dragon in their ranks might even be a risk for the DMs and FKs themselves.

Bye
Jojo

Post by **architect** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:43 pm

Jojo wrote:Hello!
Also, if it comes to siege, they would be able to hold their castles quite well, because their structures are strong.

I agree that they could defend their castles very well.

The Black Knights don't possess much of such equipment, so they are hardly able to take other factions’ castles, unless they use mean tricks.

There siege equipment is very lacking. Without a mobile catapult or larger battering ram, it would be difficult to take castles belonging to Lions or Black Falcons.

On the other hand such dragons are hardly to control, even for magicians. They usually just care for treasures and not for men, so having a dragon in their ranks might even be a risk for the DMs and FKs themselves.

That is not a happy dragon. Have fun taming him batlord

Ben

Blue Monarch · Post by **Blue Monarch** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:07 pm

No matter how many Black Knights you have, they'd never fit in that tiny castle (which I do like, by the way). Now the Black Monarch castle is nearly invincible! Still, I have to vote for the Dragon Knights. They're my favorite, and after all the crossbowmen I bought, I have the most of them.

Wolfpacker · Post by **Wolfpacker** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:33 pm

Nobody has stood up for the wolfpack for about nine months

. Now it's my time to shine!

First off, this little...SCENARIO would require NOT simply using their set numbers. There HAS to be more than, what, 6 guys?

Let's use the black falcons as the opposition. Say they're in their cozy little fortress, and are sending out a supply wagon (regardless to if the BF's even had a wagon set). Going on their merry way through the fortress, they are ambushed, and defeated in a brief skirmish. The wolfpack, being incredibly smart and dashing,

, wear the BF uniforms as disguises. Coming back to the fort after a short time, they simply walk in, and use stealth tactics, etc. to slowly whittle down the numbers in the fort (oh, that body in the barrel? he's asleep

). This process would slowly repeat, until the wolfpack are inevitably defeated, but not without the BF's being in horrible condition. And even if the wolfpack is gone NOW, they'll be back...and in greater numbers.

(Man, this plan makes 'em sound like forestmen...)

The easy plan: Ambush the wagon. Another wagon will come to look for them. Wash, rinse, repeat.

MarioDAlessio · Post by **MarioDAlessio** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:33 am

Good thread.

I don’t think any single faction alone could win “a Lego castle war” that is probably an inherent design quality of the castle theme line, an eternal conflict/struggle and no single overwhelmingly dominant faction.

A lot of strategy, allegiances, treaties and pacts would be needed to win any war.

I voted for KK1 Lion knights they need all the help they can get looking at the voting, I think they have been seriously overlooked especially when you consider their KK2 upgraded range of armoury from the Royal King's Castle 10176.

I would not think that any faction alone could unseat the Black Knights from their two well designed castles.

The bulls and Wolfpack might align to finally secure Sir Cedric a kingdom.

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Mario

Leonicius_PL · Post by **Leonicius_PL** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:43 pm

why crusaders, royal knights and KK1 (king Leo) are fighting against themselves? they are t5he same faction in dufferent time!

MarioDAlessio · Post by **MarioDAlessio** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:05 pm

Leonicius_PL wrote:why crusaders, royal knights and KK1 (king Leo) are fighting against themselves? they are t5he same faction in dufferent time!

Agreed Leonicius they are likely to form an alliance straight away, those Black Knights and Black Falcons better resolve any issues if they want to continue to exist.

Mario

Wolfpacker · Post by **Wolfpacker** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:03 am

Oh yes, there's always the OTHER other way the wolfpack could defeat a faction (that's why the 'pack is great, always have a backup plan), is to simply make an alliance with the most powerful faction, and ride things out for a bit. The most powerful faction? No doubt, the Lion Knights (which, to me, counts the Crusaders and Royal Knights as well). The Black Knights (who I imagine are on/off allies with the Black Falcons AND the Dragon Masters) may have more cavalry, armour, whatever, but the sickening truth is..the good guys always win, and the Lion Knights are as goody-goody as they get.

Whilst the Lions fight the Black Knights, the 'pack use their skills to erase any important guys on the opposing side, keeping themselves well kept. As soon as the conflict is over, the pack can either fight or flee with as many supplies as possible (no, NOT 6 guys stealing everything. It's unfair to just use the set numbers. But on the other hand, it's unfair to deem it by army-building...dilemma

). Then, a mix of guerilla warfare and the waiting game will yield a victory. On to the forestmen...

davor · Post by **davor** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:00 pm

i vote for dragon masters...wizard is strong...but wizard with dragon....i don`t think others have any chance against this...

of corse...they would all lose big time from vikings

Sir Kohran · Post by **Sir Kohran** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:12 pm

The most powerful faction? No doubt, the Lion Knights

Certainly. The sheer numbers and variety they could bring to a battlefield would overpower anyone silly enough to take them on in open warfare.

(which, to me, counts the Crusaders and Royal Knights as well).

Well I've never seen any difference between the Lion Knights and the Crusaders apart from the names; their heraldry and colours are identical.

However I wouldn't include Royal Knights; they had their own king and separate heraldry and their style actually seemed more similar to the Black Knights.

the sickening truth is..the good guys always win

Not always...look at the American Revolution

As soon as the conflict is over, the pack can either fight or flee with as many supplies as possible (no, NOT 6 guys stealing everything. It's unfair to just use the set numbers. But on the other hand, it's unfair to deem it by army-building...dilemma ). Then, a mix of guerilla warfare and the waiting game will yield a victory.

I suppose, but I've always seen the Wolfpack in the Castle war as being similar to cockroaches in a nuclear war - both will survive in some way, but whether they really win anything is debatable.

Leonicius_PL · Post by **Leonicius_PL** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:40 pm

The crownies would win, because i always think that they are new faction made from union of Black falcons and Lion knights (King leo)

LordZode · Post by **LordZode** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:42 pm

Clearly the Crownies would win.

Come on, they have DWARF allies.

DWARVES.

You're not going to beat Crownies with their Green Dragon and Dwarf-Forged weapons and armor.

Wolfpacker · Post by **Wolfpacker** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:33 am

Sir Kohran,
I only count the Royal Knights becuase of their heraldry (more lions). I kind of assume they're just an even higher power, commanding the lions, including their kings.

Anyhow, back on topic.

Another tough faction to beat would be the Forestmen, for many the same reasons as the Wolfpack (element of surprise, never in one spot for too long, experts of guerilla warfare). After all, Robin Hood never lost, and guess who the forestmen have on their side?