Bruce N H wrote:Sorry for not doing my normal CCC feedback this year. That always takes a lot of time and life got in the way. Would people be interested if I did a feedback thread even at this late date?
Bruce N H wrote:Hard to say you repeatedly lose. In the CCC you had one win and four honorable mentions from your six entries.
Aliencat wrote:Ah I can finally comment on this, now that we're done judging for the contest.
I must say this really is an incredible MOC. It's very well built and full of action, details, and nifty building techniques. Excellent job on... well... everything really!
This scene really makes an outstanding stand-alone MOC, but I must honestly admit that as a contest-entry, I was having trouble seeing the actual "guy doing the job".
But don't think for a second that this didn't end up one of the winners because it's not a grand MOC, the building style of this is awesome, even for your standards. I could even be cheesy and say you've outdone yourself
Bruce N H wrote:BTW, I didn't think Estrelaron was a rehash of Tirachinas at all, except maybe in the most trival of senses that there was a wall, a moat and a battle. Estrelaron has so many more details and the sense of action is much better.
RichardAM wrote:This is just my thoughts, but if Josh was to re-look at every entry and give reason as to why they didn't qualify, would require a huge amount of work on his part, and one without gain. He's devoted his time into the contest already, the contest is over, his role is complete. The discussion and review, I feel, is ours.
Repeatedly lose without knowing how to improve (with "repeatedly" meaning a fair few occurences, not "always"). In many contests I know exactly what the problem was, having been aware of it myself, or been told it in feedback from the judges. It's the not-knowing that bugs me, not the losing itself. Job Mullers is a good example of where I was anticipating to do better than I did.
SlyOwl wrote:Jens' entry was also a lovely piece of work - the mumakil are superb, although I'd have liked to see the tusks filled in somehow.
Bruce N H wrote:Sorry for not doing my normal CCC feedback this year. That always takes a lot of time and life got in the way. Would people be interested if I did a feedback thread even at this late date?
Argh, it is difficult to give constructive critism in a foreigen language... it's already not easy in german. No, I don't want to hurt anybody, and I think the action on your entry was well. I wanted to say maybe your entry isn't one of the top three because the baseplate is to large for the figcount. I know the scene you build (only out of the movie) and you compensate all the action on a little area to show with your entry. But compared to the top 3 there are some areas without action.SlyOwl wrote:jens wrote:You put it out, it is Josh's contest, so he choose the winner. You prefered SlyOwl's entry. It was well-built, a lot of Figs and action and comparatively big sized. Maybe that was the "mistake". If you have a big baseplate you have to fill it. A bag full of Orcs is the one, but Figplacement and compensation of action at the whole area is the other.
I'm not sure I understand that last sentence, but I guess you're saying that the action is not condensed enough.
Bluesecrets wrote:You seem to be ranking yourself against the other entries in contests, determining based on your standards where you will fall. But you aren't one of the judges. That being said, how do you think that you know exactly how you compare to the other entries? You don't know what the judges are looking for. You don't know what is in their mind.
So you are basically ranking yourself, and when you don't do as well as you believe you should, you push for feedback. This is confusing to me. Because well it seems like you are determining yourself to be a better judge of the entries, than the judge(s) who in fact are running the contest.
Bluesecrets wrote:Now, here is the thing about being a judge for a very popular contest. You've bought a prize, you've set up rules, you've explain those rules over and over until you want to scream, you monitor the entries, and then you set yourself in for the long judging process...only to have people question the way you judged. You've given away your money, and your time. And then people start demanding you give up more time to tell them what they did wrong? It makes one feel like something they did for fun and out of the kindness of their heart is now a job. Why would they ever want to do it again? Especially when people start questioning their decisions.
Bluesecrets wrote:Maybe you should build for enjoyment and stop worrying so much about contests.
jens wrote:SlyOwl wrote:Jens' entry was also a lovely piece of work - the mumakil are superb, although I'd have liked to see the tusks filled in somehow.
I decided so, because the tusks completle filled with the gears don't look better in my opinion. I try to take a picture in the next days.
SlyOwl wrote:It is natural to mentally compare yourself against the competition as the contest progresses, and make adjustments to the MOC accordingly, until it stands the best chance possible. I am fully aware of the numerous faults in my vignette, but cannot find the equivalent "mistakes" (in terms of fig placing and landscaping, the criteria mentioned in the rules, the closest thing I can find to reading Josh's mind. I also looked back at Rocko, Chris and Adrian's entries from last year, and tried to emulate aspects of them, which, to my mind, is a fair way of setting the standard for private speculation/anticipation/expectation.) in Aslan's How. I had not expected for my vignette to do well, and my hopes of winning something rested on Aslan's How. Is there anything wrong with private speculation? Anticipation? Expectation?
Sir Nelson wrote:I blame Bruce for setting a false expectation of having to comment on every "good" contest entry with his review threads from past CCC's.
Robin Hood wrote:See, this here is your problem, if I understand you correctly. You altered aspects of your entry based upon various entrys that were already submitted. You also based your entry partly on previous winner's entries. You are making your MOC based upon things others have done. This goes against the very spirit of these contests, which is get people to build new and unique things. You've just admitted to making your MOC, in part, a copy of others works. Trying to emulate what others have done will not win you anything, and certainally will not make your MOCs interesting or worth commenting on.
Now, I may have misunderstood your last post, and if so, I do apologize.
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